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Old 01-06-2010, 12:19 AM   #1
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Thought I would start a thread since there seem to be multiple opinions.

IMO, Low is number 1 (coilovers, air, cut springs) and at the very least flush wheels(don't have to be rare/expensive but it definitely takes it to another level) with a minimum mild stretch. What do you guys think?
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Old 01-06-2010, 12:22 AM   #2
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no more than 1 finger wheel gap
wheels within 5mm of fenders
mild stretch
no 20" wheels on small cars or something stupid

thats the minimum for me, obviously lower and wider is better.
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i think a car is stanced when:

-strech tires
-unique style
-its gotta scrape (unless your on airr...but still haha)
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stance =


not equal to

IE if you hit a bump, and your fender says fuck you, thats not stance. That is buying wheels too low offset/wide for your car, and trying to look cool. if you cannot have full suspension travel even slammed, then you arent in the category
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If you cannot have full suspension travel even slammed, then you arent in the category
This is impossible in some cars such as MK4 VWs if you're pushing the offsets lower or wheels wider bc of the suspension design. Solid rear beam = wheel travel straight up and down, unlike an IRS which tucks in as the suspension compresses, so at some point rubbing will happen even with the best offsets, widths, tire sizes, etc.

Stance is relevant to every car. There's no set definition of good or bad stance as it really depends on each car and its wheel/tire choice and suspension setup. You don't have to be the lowest to have stance nor do you need to have the widest wheels. It's a matter of how everything flows together.

As a sidenote, I **** when people use stance as a verb. It's a damn adjective
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Nah man, iev seen PLENTY of mk4s with no poke, that are awesome.


Again, if the fender is going to get crushed, because you thought poking was cool. its not stance, its poke. stance is when its still usable. when you hit that bump, your wheel can travel...not into your fender.

If you are pushing the offsets lower then flush, then you are just going mexiflush. flush is flush is flush. i dunno when or why poke started being the in thing. it will pass.
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If you are pushing the offsets lower then flush, then you are just going mexiflush. flush is flush is flush. i dunno when or why poke started being the in thing. it will pass.
Flush isn't a requirement of stance...end of story. It's a genre of stance that just happens to be made popular recently by the hellaflush/jdm crowd. Poke is just as much a type of (good) stance as flush is. Just look at the past years of VW's where stance has been present for quite a while. Any of the stance threads are riddled with well executed poke and quality stances. Flush is not the be-all-end-all of stance.

Trying to narrow stance down to just having flush-stance just seems silly. There are a bunch of respectable forms of stance from poke, to flush, to tuck, etc. As long as your paying attention to fitment, ride height, wheel specs, and the overall way your car sits....you're trying to achieve a stance.
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Nah man, iev seen PLENTY of mk4s with no poke, that are awesome.


Again, if the fender is going to get crushed, because you thought poking was cool. its not stance, its poke. stance is when its still usable. when you hit that bump, your wheel can travel...not into your fender.

If you are pushing the offsets lower then flush, then you are just going mexiflush. flush is flush is flush. i dunno when or why poke started being the in thing. it will pass.
I believe stance does not fall under one category. Pretty sure there is no set guidelines as to what is and isnt stance. Low and flush are just key ingredients, you then add your own style and think for yourself (not follow sheep) to create stance.

I have seen many cars with poke that i consider stanced, because stance is about the way the car looks and sits as a whole. Which aaron pretty much already said. You cant look at a side on pic of the top of a wheel arch and judge if the car is stanced.

Like i said, you need to see the car as a whole. Everything is a factor when it comes to stance...
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What Rally said :P
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Nah man, iev seen PLENTY of mk4s with no poke, that are awesome.


Again, if the fender is going to get crushed, because you thought poking was cool. its not stance, its poke. stance is when its still usable. when you hit that bump, your wheel can travel...not into your fender.

If you are pushing the offsets lower then flush, then you are just going mexiflush. flush is flush is flush. i dunno when or why poke started being the in thing. it will pass.
Well tuck vs poke is a whole other discussion to have

Poke isn't a new thing, it's been done for years and years. I just don't like when someone tries to say there's only one correct way to get a good stance on a car bc that just isn't the case.

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I believe stance does not fall under one category. Pretty sure there is no set guidelines as to what is and isnt stance. Low and flush are just key ingredients, you then add your own style and think for yourself (not follow sheep) to create stance.

I have seen many cars with poke that i consider stanced, because stance is about the way the car looks and sits as a whole. Which aaron pretty much already said. You cant look at a side on pic of the top of a wheel arch and judge if the car is stanced.

Like i said, you need to see the car as a whole. Everything is a factor when it comes to stance...
This is very well said. Also, a car can have good stance even if it's not that low, it's just about how everything flows and fits together

I agree 100% with what Rally said as well
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Thought I would start a thread since there seem to be multiple opinions.

IMO, Low is number 1 (coilovers, air, cut springs) and at the very least flush wheels(don't have to be rare/expensive but it definitely takes it to another level) with a minimum mild stretch. What do you guys think?
I like this one here, well put for sure! I was a little down after seeing some of the rides on here and the wheels they roll on! lol. I tried to see if I could hang but I cannot bring myself to it lol.
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I believe stance does not fall under one category. Pretty sure there is no set guidelines as to what is and isnt stance. Low and flush are just key ingredients, you then add your own style and think for yourself (not follow sheep) to create stance.

I have seen many cars with poke that i consider stanced, because stance is about the way the car looks and sits as a whole. Which aaron pretty much already said. You cant look at a side on pic of the top of a wheel arch and judge if the car is stanced.

Like i said, you need to see the car as a whole. Everything is a factor when it comes to stance...
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There is NO set "stance" for a car. Stance does not automatically = low, wide, stretched, etc. It has to work for the car as a WHOLE, regardless of those factors. Some cars look better higher with bigger tires and narrower wheels, some don't. That's the whole point of stance, is for it to work with the car TOGETHER. Anything and everything on the car is a factor of its overall "stance."
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stance is like my penis, looks really hard, doesnt perform very well
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Nah man, iev seen PLENTY of mk4s with no poke, that are awesome.


Again, if the fender is going to get crushed, because you thought poking was cool. its not stance, its poke. stance is when its still usable. when you hit that bump, your wheel can travel...not into your fender.

If you are pushing the offsets lower then flush, then you are just going mexiflush. flush is flush is flush. i dunno when or why poke started being the in thing. it will pass.
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Poke is not a fad, It dates back to german TUV laws along time ago in germany. This isnt just people pushing there wheels out in the past 3 or 4 years.

You may prefer flushness, as do i, but that doesnt make one stance and the other not.
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For me it's all about the lowest possible fender gap (max. 1 finger thick is acceptable in most cases) with the wheels flowing very well with the shape of the car, or the car's fenders as it may be.

For me it's very important how the wheels flow with the car's fenders.



1. Fenders that flare outwards and have a "lip" that goes almost straight down. I like flush wheels with mild stretch the best (example: E36, E30)

2. Fenders that flare smoothly outwards with no or very little lip. I like it when the wheel pokes a bit (not too much though!) and the stretch continues the flow of the fender.

3. Fenders that go straight down. Here, tuck is best, imo. Depending on the car, flush may also look very good.
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This ^^ but with a comob of 1 and 2 too.

Mk IV's are a good example of what I'm on about.

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Good stuff fellas, I think it's the magic that happens when you combine all of the items or factors mentioned above and you throw it all together and each factor complements the others to work together as one...I like how someone mentioned earlier that it differs from ride to ride.

...however you define it, I'll admit it gets me all hot n' bothered
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Stance to me is all about how it sits. I have seen lifted trucks that sit just right, I have also seen cars and trucks tuck half the wheel into the fender that made my jaw drop. I have also seen 32 ford coupes with no fenders with great stance. To me all of these are examples of good stance. But this is just my humble opinion....
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Yeah, check those facts just a little bit.
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For me it's all about the lowest possible fender gap (max. 1 finger thick is acceptable in most cases) with the wheels flowing very well with the shape of the car, or the car's fenders as it may be.

For me it's very important how the wheels flow with the car's fenders.



1. Fenders that flare outwards and have a "lip" that goes almost straight down. I like flush wheels with mild stretch the best (example: E36, E30)

2. Fenders that flare smoothly outwards with no or very little lip. I like it when the wheel pokes a bit (not too much though!) and the stretch continues the flow of the fender.

3. Fenders that go straight down. Here, tuck is best, imo. Depending on the car, flush may also look very good.
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Poke is not a fad, It dates back to german TUV laws along time ago in germany. This isnt just people pushing there wheels out in the past 3 or 4 years.

You may prefer flushness, as do i, but that doesnt make one stance and the other not.
you are right. I just prefer not to buckle my fenders if i hit a bump, and tuck 18s while still fush through travel. im cool with that. But im just wondering why you guys poke, when there isnt a reason to. I mean, i can hang a tire 3 inches outside of my van and be slammed. but that doesnt mean im "pushing" offsets. it means im putting too big of a wheel on a car.
this isnt to start drama, seriously. im just trying to understand it.
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It comes to an extremely brief answer of: It's a style. Much like "flush" is style, stretch and "poke" is a style.
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It comes to an extremely brief answer of: It's a style. Much like "flush" is style, stretch and "poke" is a style.
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If youre so practical minded, why be this low? Or hell, why even me flush? stock height and tucked is much more practical. Its just the style

Edit: im not trying to come off as a douche, its just the truth. Pretty much all styles of aggressive fitment are impractical. If they werent, im sure all cars would be beefier
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But im just wondering why you guys poke, when there isnt a reason to.
It doesn't have any less "reason" than running a flush setup. There isn't any "reason" to run flush other than aesthetic value and the same holds true for poking. It's a look that some owners love. That's sorta the whole "reason" for the stance thing isn't it? To look good and have a tight fitment

I've run poke for a few years now and never buckled or damaged an arch. That's what stretched tires and camber are for.
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