toyo proxies 4 vs Falken 452's

billy370gt · 12-18-2010, 02:30 AM

which ones are better? i heard there many issues with bubbling (which i also had with my 452's) just wanted to know if the toyo proxies 4 were good for stretching and poking? and will it show the same amount of poke as other tires?

aar0n. · 12-18-2010, 10:10 AM

Proxies 4s are all seasons and 452s are summer tires so it's apples and oranges. The Toyos stretch pretty well

NJzFinestG · 12-18-2010, 10:17 AM

falkens stretch awsome. alot of ppl i know r running falkens including me. 225/35/20 on 9.5" and 255/35/20 on 11"

billy370gt · 12-18-2010, 05:21 PM

Anyone with toyos proxies 4 wanna share pics lol?

4DGS · 12-19-2010, 11:44 AM

I've never used 4s, only T1Rs

FKs, are shit. (F'n Krap) if you do any kind of actual stretch, then you need to do this to remove them.

FKs
Good for light cars (under 3000lbs) good for mild stretches
Bad for heavy cars, camber, stretching and overall durability.

Go with T1Rs, becuase Proxies 4s, aren't a comparable tire to an FK.

KarlSpackler · 12-19-2010, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 4DGS

I've never used 4s, only T1Rs

FKs, are shit. (F'n Krap) if you do any kind of actual stretch, then you need to do this to remove them.

FKs
Good for light cars (under 3000lbs) good for mild stretches
Bad for heavy cars, camber, stretching and overall durability.

Go with T1Rs, becuase Proxies 4s, aren't a comparable tire to an FK.

That failure doesnt look like it was caused by stretch.

I have run very stretched FKs for nearly 6 years and have NEVER had an issue. They are an awesome tire in my opinion.

Currently have 215/35 on a 9.5 and 225/35 on a 10

Kielan · 12-19-2010, 07:33 PM

I think what he was trying to say is that if you stretch them, you have to cut them off, as that is what the picture looks like.

KarlSpackler · 12-19-2010, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Kielan

I think what he was trying to say is that if you stretch them, you have to cut them off, as that is what the picture looks like.

If he is saying that, then he is full of crap.
The 215/35s on my fronts have been on (2) sets of 9.5s and 1 set of 9s

And we didnt have to cut them off.............

Kielan · 12-19-2010, 07:43 PM

I don't get what he is saying either, but those tires definitely look cut off.

Ollie · 12-19-2010, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by KarlSpackler

That failure doesnt look like it was caused by stretch.

I have run very stretched FKs for nearly 6 years and have NEVER had an issue. They are an awesome tire in my opinion.

Currently have 215/35 on a 9.5 and 225/35 on a 10

+1 I love falkens. Theyre known to stretch well so I dont know what that guys talking about.

FK452s will stretch a lot more than proxies

billy370gt · 12-19-2010, 09:23 PM

I've just seen pics of the toyos 4 stretched and they look better stretched then the 452s, toyo 4 has more poke look.

KarlSpackler · 12-19-2010, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by billy370gt

I've just seen pics of the toyos 4 stretched and they look better stretched then the 452s, toyo 4 has more poke look.

Then go buy them and have fun.

/thread

4DGS · 12-20-2010, 12:28 AM

What I am saying, is that I unmount my own tires and it's a bitch to do. If someone brought me 225/35 FKs on a 10 (like mine were) I'd charge them twice or tell them to go somewhere else.

I cut them off because they don't have any stretch like every other tire I have mounted and unmounted.

I also had about a 7" bubble on the inside of the sidewall after about 10k

I will never stretch Falkens again... I actually won't buy Falkens again in general.

Tuck&Poke · 12-20-2010, 11:00 AM

I have 452's, 215/40's on an 18x10, i just took them off friday to flip them... no cutting, they have around 10K miles on them. Also running just south of 3deg of camber. I have had zero issues with 452's they stretch good, the have handled any abuse i put them through.

It has a lot of stretch, the car is over 3000lbs and im running almost 3deg of camber, so i dont know where you pulled that from as i fail your whole checklist.

aar0n. · 12-20-2010, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by 4DGS

What I am saying, is that I unmount my own tires and it's a bitch to do. If someone brought me 225/35 FKs on a 10 (like mine were) I'd charge them twice or tell them to go somewhere else.

I cut them off because they don't have any stretch like every other tire I have mounted and unmounted.

I also had about a 7" bubble on the inside of the sidewall after about 10k

I will never stretch Falkens again... I actually won't buy Falkens again in general.

You're definitely in the minority when it comes to your opinion on stretched Falkens bc a good percentage of cars with stretched tires are running them without problems and people like the stretch they provide.

I still think that those cut tires are strange. I understand what you're saying about them being hard to dismount but I've had my 225/40/18 Falken 512s mounted and dismounted on my 18x10s multiple times with zero issues and dismounting was as easy as mounting them

*96tegls* · 12-20-2010, 11:10 AM

TOYO all day

4DGS · 12-20-2010, 04:39 PM

Well if you guys have had good luck with em, keep on going.

I don't know how many of your guys mount your own tires but I prefer my tires to come off easily, FKs do not.

Therefore I do not recommend FKs, since I have never had issues with Toyos, coming off. I recommend them 100% over falkens.

That being said my current tires are RE-11s.

Tuck&Poke · 12-20-2010, 04:48 PM

Literally unmounted and mounted them myself ( albeit half drunk ). Perhaps there was an issue with your particular set, perhaps the wheels, maybe your machine was acting up that day. I don't know, all i know is because it happened to you once, you can't say "they are all bad, this is fact" Its misleading to people who might actually be interested in them. Just like I heard that they bubble from a couple of people, but i know many more that have never had that issue, including myself, through 3 sets.

4DGS · 12-20-2010, 04:53 PM

I never said I've only used them once, I've stretched about 10 sets of FKs (not by choice obviously)

The mounter is a Coats, so it is definitely not to blame lol

Run flats come off easier...

What about the retarded bubbling in them, where's your defense for that?

aar0n. · 12-20-2010, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 4DGS

What about the retarded bubbling in them, where's your defense for that?

I've seen bubbling in 452s but almost never on 512s. I've had Toyo T1Rs too and personally prefer how my 512s stretch over the T1Rs

MrFukengruven · 12-20-2010, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by KarlSpackler

That failure doesnt look like it was caused by stretch.

+1 look at that camber wear OWW

billy370gt · 12-20-2010, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by KarlSpackler

Then go buy them and have fun.

/thread

And that's what I did spackler

Tuck&Poke · 12-21-2010, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 4DGS

I never said I've only used them once, I've stretched about 10 sets of FKs (not by choice obviously)

The mounter is a Coats, so it is definitely not to blame lol

Run flats come off easier...

What about the retarded bubbling in them, where's your defense for that?

It's never happened to me on any of the sets. I've never had any issues with them, that's all im getting at. For a potential buyer I think both opinions should count just as much, not just yours.

KarlSpackler · 12-21-2010, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by billy370gt

And that's what I did spackler

Let us know how they work

4DGS · 12-21-2010, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuck&Poke

It's never happened to me on any of the sets. I've never had any issues with them, that's all im getting at. For a potential buyer I think both opinions should count just as much, not just yours.

I never said don't listen to any other opinions or that my opinion trumps any others.

Just shared my shit experiences with Falken and stretching.