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    Now that the heavy lifting has been done on my project and I start to look to the finer details of the build, I thought I might throw up some build info on S|W. I know it probably won't get any love here, but maybe there's a few members that deep down secretly love a PD blown American V8.

    How It All Started-
    For $3500 I got this "beauty" and a pickup truck full of spare parts.




    I even had to turn down a spare motor because I didn't have space for it. The owner was desperate to get rid of it because he couldn't deal with it (read: f***** it up beyond imagination) and bought a fox body instead. This thing was plagued with problems. Excessive camber, needed tires, brakes, stalled out, rear wheel bearing, primer, dented to hell, electrical gremlins abound, and wiring that would make most cringe.

    Due to her horrible appearance and bad manners, I christened her "The Big Dirty" because she is one big, dirty, dumpster fire of a car.

    When I got it home it was in such bad shape, my dad refused to speak to me for two days, and when he did, he gave me an ultimatum: get it road legal in two weeks, or it's on the front lawn with a "For Sale" sign in it.

    It still wasn't a bad start. It was lowered, had FLSFC's, 04 Cobra rear, Bilsteins out back, CAI, transplanted P71 Interceptor motor, O/R X pipe, Flowmasters of some sort, a cat back, Cobra bumpers, POR-15'ed the whole underside, Mach 1 transmission, Centerforce DFX clutch, aluminum flywheel, and all kinds of other goodies.

    Over the course of about two weeks I shed tons of blood sweat and tears getting her to pass NYS inspection for well under $500 worth of parts. Lots of late nights in the driveway (I wasn't allowed in the garage with this POS) and lots of PBR tall boys while working on it. Some of the problems turned out to be painfully easy. The stalling was due to a combination of exhaust leak (missing a nut to the manifold, $0.05) and vacuum leak (two hose clamps, $0.50). The amplifier he said was great and didn't work turned out to be wired wrong. A couple splices and it worked beautifully. I even scored a set of used NYS Trooper tires for $140 total. They look hideous but they passed inspection.
    I had almost succumbed to the deadline, but got that precious sticker a couple days early. I had actually bought a "For Sale" sign in advance, expecting to lose this stupid car.

    Here she is once she passed inspection and got plates-


    Then of course things got fun. I moved to IN for a job that afforded me a bit more scratch to spend on the car. I decided to make a "poor man's terminator" and do a Cobra swap on it. Thus it became "Project: Secondhand Snake" in which I swapped as much as I could using almost exclusively used and junkyard parts. You can read the gritty details of the battle on the main build thread-
    Official Project: Secondhand Snake Build Thread


    Over the course of about 6 months she got all kinds of Cobra upgrades, including an 03 motor, ported/pullied M112 blower, longtubes, cams, RAI, fuel tank, dual GT pumps, dual FPDM and wiring mods, and a few aesthetic touches such as SN95 sail panels, spoiler delete, and Cobra sideskirts.

    The impressive part of this? I did it in an unheated, unlit, unpowered storage space on the other side of town during the winter, alone.

    A taste of the motor that went in-


    Now we're just about up to speed. She's running (for the most part) and just has a few minor mechanical issues to sort out.

    How she sits now-





    Now we're almost down to suspension. Those hideous pitted 17x8" Bullitt's had to go, and so did their tires.

    I'm sure everyone here is all about brand name wheels, but I saw a set not too far from me that weren't what I wanted, but were a great deal, and just matched my car perfectly. They're a set of staggered 03 Cobras, black inset and machined face. 17x9 up front. 17x10.5" out back, just like I like them.

    Here they are just back from picking them up in the tank, my 12 Ram 2500-


    And here's a teaser of some test fitment of the wheels, sans tires-



    I hope to get the fronts wrapped with whatever 245/45/R17's I can pick up, but the rears will be getting some Nitto NT05 315/35/R17's to put all that torque to the pavement.

    Don't expect too much for fitment in the rear. I like low, but ultimately I'd like to be able to run a set of Hoosier QTP's on 15's out back, something like this-


    In the meantime, this is how she spends most of her time-


    She will definitely need some serious work on the front end. Poor fitment with the 2v motor only got worse with the added weight of the blown 4v. Lots of camber, lots of low, terrible fit, and even rubbing on the wheel well and harness.


    I'll put some updates in as the suspension and appearance build progresses. I've got a long list of upgrades to do, including coilovers up front, tubular A-arms, tubular K-member, CC plates (already have them), a Saleen S281 3 piece spoiler, 03 Cobra interior (already have it) and a whooooooole lot of body work.
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    I am definitely a domestic fanboy (even though i have a vw and a bmw) before i got any of my cars, this a Foxbody mustang with a 351w bored to a 408 and supercharged and errething, was my dream car, and i can for sure see me in a mustang one day. great job saving it!
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    Always love these "save someone else's hack job" threads.

    Keep it up.

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    **** those cars, but glad you accepted the challenge! Oh and put OEM cobra headlights on it!

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    Get some new head lights, those are terrible.
    otherwise, it looks great!

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    Good work so far! I wish I had the time to take on a big project such as this


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    Quote Originally Posted by HooWybrow View Post
    Always love these "save someone else's hack job" threads.

    Keep it up.
    Big fan of your build, so I will definitely take that as a compliment.

    Quote Originally Posted by squeakyclean View Post
    **** those cars, but glad you accepted the challenge! Oh and put OEM cobra headlights on it!
    Doesn't everyone **** these cars though? I know I'm ***** by the Honda community, the Camaro community, the BMW community, pretty much every import, and even the Cobra community.

    Those projector headlights are definitely going in the trash at some point. They're some lousy Chinese made ones. The connectors are poorly made, they used to be heavily oxidized until I buffed them out, but there's actually small fissures INSIDE the lens. Garbage. But since they work they're low on the priority list, especially with the list of mechanical work I have, including the flat tire and blown heater core I discovered this week.

    Quote Originally Posted by rice4life View Post
    Get some new head lights, those are terrible.
    otherwise, it looks great!
    They're on the list. I'd like to go with some smoked or black housing OEM style ultimately.


    I'll continue the updates as I make progress. This week should be mostly mechanical/electrical work to at least get it running properly, which is anything but noteworthy/interesting. If all goes well I might at least get to play around with dialing in the front wheels this weekend.
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    Keep up the good work. Looks kinda rough but I bet it's fast as hell now!

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    Love these type of "saving/restoring car" threads, glad to see you've accepted the challenge. Keep up the good work!


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    Well I actually made quite a bit of progress last week.

    I got my CC plates in, so no more stupid camber up front!
    Of course the strut towers were pretty rusted underneath, so I sanded/primed/painted/cleared them. And now they look better than 85% of the car.


    I'm pretty happy with the resulting fitment, at least compared to what it used to be.


    The only catch is I'm still getting some rubbing, especially on the drivers side during heavy braking and turning. I think I'll need to tuck the harness in there somehow. It's also got me apprehensive to put those new 17x9's up front with 275's. It might be too much until I get this figured out.

    Other than that lots of other goodies went in. Intercooler pump wired up, wideband and boost gauge all wired up

    Any Don Hertzfeldt fans? They might recognize the crudely drawn figure in the empty bezel to the left.

    I even threw in my 03 Cobra interior.



    Aww yeah. Lookin' good. Probably the best the interior has looked since I owned it. All the interior panels are actually in place.

    While I was installing the new seats I found a couple nametags. Out of curiosity, I looked up the name on Facebook. Sure enough, it was the guy who owned the car before the guy I bought it from. According to him he took it on as a project car, and it was still an electrical clusterf*** back then. It also had Altezzas and underglow at that point.

    Needless to say, this thing has come a long way, and if I do say so myself, has been saved. I got a laugh when he said he thought it was pretty quick running 8.6's in the 1/8th, and that he always dreamed of Cobra swapping it. Well buddy, dream achieved.

    With all sorts of nonsense installed and the engine bay tidied up a bit, I gave it the first wash in a long time. I was pleasantly surprised with how well it actually looked, at least compared to six months ago.






    And of course, a sight I like to think will cause most people's blood to run cold when they spot it in their rear view mirror-


    With all that accomplished I took it for a good romp, this time venturing to 11psi and 3k RPM. I did a few quick 1st-3rd pulls and she definitely moves out. It has no problem pinning you to the seats even if you don't have the pedal pinned to the floor. Exhaust sounds good too.

    What really shocked me was how quick the torque comes on. After making a gentle turn while still rolling I decided to goose the throttle a little. I figured it would chirp the tires and then take off.

    NOPE.

    What I got instead was a 100ft rolling burnout before I let out. I think it's safe to say I'm going to need those 10.5" wheels out back, because these 245's are no match for this engine.


    Now some would be happy with that kind of neck snapping performance.

    In my best Billy Mays-

    But Wait!!! There's More!!!

    I picked up this little gem this week for stage II of the build, likely over the winter and spring.




    I'm thinking compound boost, with this HX50 feeding the M112 Eaton for a torque curve fatter than the state of Mississippi. Should let me break 700, which is about all I'll ask since that will be at the max of my current fuel system. The drivetrain and engine should have no problem up to 850 and beyond.

    Looking forward I'm going to try and improve the paint a little and get some fresh rubber for the tires. I've also got a few spots picked out for some photoshoots in the near future, and maybe some obligatory acceleration videos.
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    I usually dislike mustangs, but glad to see this one saved, and very curious whats going to happen with the turbo and charger
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    Can't wait to see more progress!!

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    Isn't it fun to be ***** by multiple communities?



    Great to hear you're twin-charging it! Big love to the Termi swap, that's awesome. I'm a big blue oval fan, and having crossed two cars off the "dream car" list already [my Starion and my Shelby Lancer], the next step is a Terminator.

    Definitely watching this.
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    great save! can't wait to see more progress

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    This is such an awesome build. Keep it up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daviticus View Post
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    Great to hear you're twin-charging it! Big love to the Termi swap, that's awesome. I'm a big blue oval fan, and having crossed two cars off the "dream car" list already [my Starion and my Shelby Lancer], the next step is a Terminator.

    Definitely watching this.
    Glad someone got the Don Hertzfeldt reference.

    And I love the Shelby Lancers. There was a guy with one back home I was always impressed by. Turbo Mopars never got the respect they deserved, that's for sure. If I could find one I'd snap it up in a heartbeat.

    That said here's a little teaser for some of the latest progress.

    I sanded off some of the crappy paint I did when I got it to cover up the primer and threw some color and clear on it using rattlecans. Low budget, but I'm actually surprised how well it turned out, especially as a temporary thing.

    Here's what it started as-


    Here's where I started last weekend-



    And here's some in-progress pictures of the sides getting a little love-



    Then here's the anti-stance tank you can see in the background-


    That's all rattlecan.
    I finished up all the panels I sanded last night at about 9:30PM during a stressful week. I was in no mood to upload the final result. I'll get that this weekend.

    Keep in mind this is with zero wetsanding or buffing yet. There's some orange peel and dry spray on it I admit, but nothing the aforementioned treatment won't make short work of.

    I'm thoroughly looking forward to showing this off to my parents this weekend who had seen what a heap it was when I brought it home.

    Meanwhile I've decided to put off fresh rubber till the spring since it would be foolish to put fresh tires on it, run it for a week or two, then sit in the garage. Sucks, but makes sense.

    I've also started doing my homework (which is an awful lot like my job ironically) for packaging a compound setup. Short list involves CG Fabrication FF headers, fab up my own hot side with the turbine on the passenger side. It'll require new exhaust and midpipe. I'll need a remote thermostat mount and re-configuring my water hoses. I'll need to fab up and relocate the coolant reservoir, no big deal since my battery is already relocated so there's plenty of room there. I'll need a remote oil filter mount, possibly a liquid to air cooler as well.

    Air side cooling will be a challenge. I've looked at another compound build for inspiration. He ran turbo out straight to the SC inlet and just went to increased intercooler liquid capacity with a bigger heat exchanger. I'd like to try and put an air to air in before that, but it will have to be pretty thin or small.

    Looks like I should be able to keep pretty busy this winter.
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    Good job with the paint! looking good so far.


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    Quote Originally Posted by HooWybrow View Post
    Always love these "save someone else's hack job" threads.

    Keep it up.
    x2. It's great to see someone save a car like you are, and bring it back to life the right way. I did the same thing with my car, and my heart goes out to those who do it today.

    Also, love the Don H. reference in your gauge pod.
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    nice work!

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    Some pictures of the paint once it has dried. It certainly needs some wetsanding and buffing, but overall it's tough to tell it was a rattlecan job.




    It looks nothing at all like the heap I limped into my driveway a couple years ago. It is well on its way to being a decent car.

    The downside is yet another setback. I've got a strong suspicion that my radiator may be plugged. After the temperature rose way too high after a few pulls, despite repeated burping, a new cap and new thermostat, I found that the top of the radiator was hot, then suddenly the bottom was stone cold.

    If it does turn out to be the radiator I'll be getting a new aluminum aftermarket piece, possibly with some dual pusher fans to help set the stage for the compound build.

    Then it's just up to me to put the work in over the winter to take this build to a whole new level; from mild Cobra clone to balls out this means business street monster.
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    I'm another Ford fanboy, this is awesome! I don't know much on the subject of twin charging. I saw the turbo in the thread like "wait, it's supercharged already..." and then I was like "Oh helll no!" Get those other rims on man, it's gonna change the car entirely.
    The only thing lower than my standards is my truck.

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    Well, one step forward, two steps back.

    I go to show off the car with the new paint, and after a few pulls the reservoir burps some coolant, which thanks to the heat extractor vents sprays all over my windshield. Uh oh. I limp her back home as I watch the coolant temp gauge climb.

    So now I've torn apart the cooling system again trying to determine why it keeps running hot, and hoping like hell it isn't a head gasket. I thought I would have been fine since I replaced the cap and stat (stat was definitely bad), and I knew a few guys who were running swaps on the stock GT radiator.

    Well it turns out the stat I have is a pretty crummy aftermarket, as was the one before it.
    Not only that, but I realize the guys that are doing fine with their stock radiators are only making low 400's, and are both using 170deg aftermarket stats. Meanwhile I'm pushing close to 550 thanks to my cams, full exhaust/LT's, and ported/pullied blower, so that old radiator that was designed to cool a 260hp engine is probably getting its ass kicked.

    Add to that my heater core is bypassed (blew out shortly after the new engine, probably due to the head cooling mod) so there's even less heat rejection.

    I also noticed after the last run the top of my radiator was hot, but not the bottom. I pulled it, and dumped a pretty good share of this stuff out the bottom-

    Took it to a shop, and it flowed well, but the lower half was covered in rust/silica scale. So there's another reason I was losing capacity.

    Overall it's a 260hp radiator with no heater core, a lousy stat, filled with crap, and partially blocked by a huge dual pass heat exhanger for the blower. At that point I would have been lucky if it cooled the original 260hp engine let alone the mess in there now.

    I'm going to give it a try with no stat and the fan locked on high with the cleaned radiator to see how it behaves. It the temperature stays reasonable, I may not have to take the heads off. Then I'll just get a new Cobra or aluminum dual pass radiator and call it a day.

    If I do have to tear the heads off, I figure I might as well get some work done while I'm at it. You know, in between the fetal position and crying. I figure I'll send the heads off to get ported, as well as consider her down for the season, and get down to the real business.

    Here's the test fit I did while I tore the radiator out-


    The worst part is that if this head gasket is blown, it probably was blown when I bought it since I put less than 50mi on it since I've had it. The seller assured me it was fine, but I'm starting to think I may have gotten hosed. I just wish I would have known so I could have done it while I had it blown apart on a stand for cams.

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    I notice I'm way behind in updates.

    The radiator was disassembled and cleaned thoroughly. I re-installed it and it seems to be working beautifully. No more overheating.

    Here's some pictures I snapped about a month or so ago.









    Needless to say, they got a terrible reception in the showroom.

    Even though 99% here think it's a POS, it's living up to it's build thread title.
    Clicky here for video >>>


    It also did a good job laying down these, while rolling in 2nd gear-


    Lots of little goodies to be thrown on in the next few weeks. It's more a challenge of time than anything else at this point, what with prepping the truck for winter, and prepping the Neon for sale.
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    nice update man!


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    Glad to see another Indiana guy with a mustang! Heck of a build! What drag strip do/will you go to??

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