raw/dry/durty denim

[Effin' Euro]

anyone else into it?
i started off with a pair of cheap mondays last year to try it out and looove it. for only 70 bucks they are so damn comfortable, yet i feel they're coming upon their inevitable asplosion. thinking about getting a pair of naked and famous next...not ready to drop the cash on some big boy denim just yet. some day...

[Average_Jerk]

im too cheap for expensive clothes. plus, i always find myself working on cars. any time i try to wear something nice i end up ruining them

[Kielan]

Not really one for expensive jeans, kinda defeats the purpose of getting jeans IMO. I also like khaki's a lot more. I like the feel and fit a lot more.

[.:Heather:.]

There is a good thread on Vortex on this.

[Uyles]

Mmmmm, jeans.

Average Jerk, it's the same shit with me, except with white shoes. I'll throw on white shoes and a white shirt and then I end up at my friend's house doing some shit with cars. I don't think I've ever done stuff like that in black shoes. wtf!

[Average_Jerk]

Mmmmm, jeans.

Average Jerk, it's the same shit with me, except with white shoes. I'll throw on white shoes and a white shirt and then I end up at my friend's house doing some shit with cars. I don't think I've ever done stuff like that in black shoes. wtf!
ii have one pair of white/white sneakers. wore them once and got a spot of dark beer on the laces. havent worn them since lol

[Stephen]

im a levis man myself. Like 8 pairs of them now :stickoutt

[kramerbuccs24]

Old Navy right hurr, hella cheap, comfortable, fit me well, and they look just fine in my opinion

[.:Heather:.]

Andrew @ Open Road is really into jeans, I'm sure he'll come in and school haha

[M.Burroughs]

im a levis man myself. Like 8 pairs of them now :stickoutt

This.

[Brian Fantana]

im a levis man myself. Like 8 pairs of them now :stickoutt

Yup i think i'm about at the same number :D....514s for me!! only denim in my closet right now

[PHAS3D]

im a levis man myself. Like 8 pairs of them now :stickoutt

This as well...

[supersoaker50]

First real pair of selvedege was apc's, but I wore the hell out of them, i lost weight, then i did some stupid stuff, and now i no longer wear them, they just sit, they are too baggy and not long enough.

on to my next pair, the unbranded selvedge from Urban Outfitters, aka, Naked&Famous.

So far i really dig em, wear is getting there, combs and whiskers are coming in nicely, HOWEVER. The top button broke, which I have been hearing is really common, soo break in isnt as good as it could be.

any tips on where to pick up replacement buttons? Preferably the APC style top button, it allows for stretching. I will try and get some fit pics

[wheelfetish]

Almost bought a pair of APCs for $80 from my friend, but then I needed money for car stuff.

[PHAS3D]

First real pair of selvedege was apc's, but I wore the hell out of them, i lost weight, then i did some stupid stuff, and now i no longer wear them, they just sit, they are too baggy and not long enough.

on to my next pair, the unbranded selvedge from Urban Outfitters, aka, Naked&Famous.

So far i really dig em, wear is getting there, combs and whiskers are coming in nicely, HOWEVER. The top button broke, which I have been hearing is really common, soo break in isnt as good as it could be.

any tips on where to pick up replacement buttons? Preferably the APC style top button, it allows for stretching. I will try and get some fit pics

Lela star FTW! hahah

[Effin' Euro]

really? the urban outfitters by me only had levi's and a couple random brands for jeans.
none of their own shit.
i'm wearing some levi's now...511's. my girlfriend had me try on the 510's or whatever the super slim ones are, and i couldn't get them past my thighs.

i woulds really like to pick up a pair of apc's or some sammies. it's hard for me to spend that much on one pair of jeans though. for 70 dollars, cheap mondays are definately worth it though. broke in pretty quick, and got some damn decent honeycomb/whiskering. might buy another set for this summer, then buy some 19oz steez for when it cools down.

[craige-o]

Bought a pair of True Religons and man did I waste money!!

[wheelfetish]

really? the urban outfitters by me only had levi's and a couple random brands for jeans.
none of their own shit.
i'm wearing some levi's now...511's. my girlfriend had me try on the 510's or whatever the super slim ones are, and i couldn't get them past my thighs.

i woulds really like to pick up a pair of apc's or some sammies. it's hard for me to spend that much on one pair of jeans though. for 70 dollars, cheap mondays are definately worth it though. broke in pretty quick, and got some damn decent honeycomb/whiskering. might buy another set for this summer, then buy some 19oz steez for when it cools down.

I like the 510 a lot. I have two pair (30x30 and 32x30) the 30x30 fit A LOT tighter then the 32x30. They basically fit like 511 if you up a size. Had them both pairs for about two years now, actually they're the only jeans I have lol. I need to go shopping :D

[omarsxb951]

I love jeans, can't wear slacks. I have about 5 pairs of true religions, 4 pairs of rock n republics, a few big stars, a few diesels, and a few other pair of designer jeans. I usually look for deals at nordstrom, nordstrom, rack, even macys. So far my favorites I think are Rock Revivals and FiveFours. I became a huge label whore when I seperated with the wife for 4-6 months, I totally splurged since before all I bought was anchor blues, levis, etc. I know people say name brand stuff is overpriced but mine last a long ass time and fit way better than the cheap stuff. I flew off my motorcycle(stupid, don't even ask) at 25 mph and flew onto a lawn head first. I bruised my shoulder, forearm, and a severly bruised knee and a few broken toes. I was wearing a pair of expensive jeans, nothing happened to them, in fact I still wear them to this day 2 years after the incident.

[Relax]

im a levis man myself. Like 8 pairs of them now :stickoutt

+1 I love Levis. The only ones I own though are 514's. Anyone care to make any other recommendations?

[schroedin]

I don't own jeans. Khakis FTW :rofl

[omarsxb951]

I'm fat and don't like the way khaki's look on me, lol

[supersoaker50]

I love jeans, can't wear slacks. I have about 5 pairs of true religions, 4 pairs of rock n republics, a few big stars, a few diesels, and a few other pair of designer jeans. I usually look for deals at nordstrom, nordstrom, rack, even macys. So far my favorites I think are Rock Revivals and FiveFours. I became a huge label whore when I seperated with the wife for 4-6 months, I totally splurged since before all I bought was anchor blues, levis, etc. I know people say name brand stuff is overpriced but mine last a long ass time and fit way better than the cheap stuff. I flew off my motorcycle(stupid, don't even ask) at 25 mph and flew onto a lawn head first. I bruised my shoulder, forearm, and a severly bruised knee and a few broken toes. I was wearing a pair of expensive jeans, nothing happened to them, in fact I still wear them to this day 2 years after the incident.


not trying to start shit or anything, but OP is talking about selvedge/dry denim. Not overpriced predistressed stuff. I have had true religion, diesel, 7s, but the quality compared to selvedge is nonexistent.

Give a try to selvedge, I can say you wont go back - APC, Nudie, Naked&Famous, Sammies, Flathead, Imperial...the list goes on, and so does the price range. Naked&Famous can be had on karmaloop.com for $140 and normally 20-40% off codes can be had. :alright

Oh, as far as splurging on APC's....it was a jump I decided to make and I definately don't regret it, best clothing purchase to date, except for getting the unbranded for $40 because urban messed up. :eyebrows

As far as finding the unbranded, its at certain Urban Outfitters, but if you look online they have it there. But fitting is tough, I sized down 2 for the skinny tapered.

As far as recommendations to Relax - if you like 514s, I would take a look at Gap selvedge in dark indigo, similar fit, well priced and pretty decent quality. However, many Gap stores do not carry it, just have random shipments, if you have a few Gap stores, go to the one thats in the nicest mall area, since the selvedge from them is technically for flagship stores.

[Bracknaphobia]

I was a khaki guy, until I went to TJ Maxx and got me a couple pairs of lucky brand jeans on sale. They are the most comfortable jeans I have ever worn in my entire life. Normally like 100 bones, I got em for a third of that.

Side note: In case anyone ever needs a shift boot, denim works and looks great if you can find it in the color you want :D

[wheelfetish]

Next pair of jeans will either be apc or naked&famous.

[ray ban]

^^^^^This is off topic but i love your avatar. Looks like it could make a killer tattoo

[wheelfetish]

^^^^^This is off topic but i love your avatar. Looks like it could make a killer tattoo

haha thanks. I got it off of vwvortex somewhere. I plan on getting it soon.

[973Dub]

I highly suggest Rock and Republic jeans. They're the only ones I wear. Fit great, look great and just all around awesome.

[sixonefive]

i really love nice jeans..I have a pair of True Religons, a pair of Juicy Couture jeans, a pair of faconnable jeans, and i had a pair of 7's but i dont know what happened to them..must have lost them or something. i also have a pair of black levis that i like but dont really wear that often bc they are a little too skinny for my taste

my 2 favorite pairs that i have tho are a pair of grey levis that i got from urban outfitters and a $40 pair of slim fit dark blue jeans that i got from H&M

[Effin' Euro]

this isn't a labelwhore jeans thread ladies.
i have a couple pairs of true religions from a couple years ago, and although they are nice, they are no where near the level of fit of even budget selvedge denim.

i was really feeling the naked and famous i tried on at the blue bee denim shop in santa barbara. whenever leftcoastlow 2 goes down, i will probably pick them up. i don't like ordering denim online that i haven't tried on. im kinda tall and realllllllly skinny so shit fits me weird.

[omarsxb951]

Ok so I went on wikipedia to get info on what you were talking about, here's what I found out, if it's incorrect feel free to correct me:

Selvage denim (also called selvedge denim) is a type of denim which forms a clean natural edge that does not unravel. It is commonly presented in the unwashed or raw state. Typically, the selvage edges will be located along the out-seam of the pants, making it visible when cuffs are worn.

The word "selvage" comes from the phrase "self-edge", the natural edge of a roll of fabric. As applied to denim, it means that which is made on old-style shuttle looms. These looms weave fabric with one continuous cross thread (the weft) that is passed back and forth all the way down the length of the bolt. As the weft loops back into the edge of the denim it creates this “self-edge” or Selvage. Selvage is desirable because the edge can’t fray like lower grade denims that have separate wefts which leave an open edge that must be stitched.

Shuttle looms weave a more narrow piece of fabric, and thus a longer piece of fabric is required to make a pair of jeans (approximately 3 yards). To maximize yield, traditional jean makers use the fabric all the way to the selvage edge. When the cuff is turned up the two selvage edges, where the denim is sewn together, can be seen. The selvage edge is usually stitched with colored thread: green, white, brown, yellow, and red (red is the most common). Fabric mills used these colors to differentiate between fabrics.

Most selvage jeans today are dyed with synthetic indigo, but natural indigo dye is available in some denim labels. Though they are supposed to have the same chemical makeup, there are more impurities in the natural indigo dye. Loop dying machines feed a rope of cotton yarn through vats of indigo dye and then back out. The dye is allowed to oxidize before the next dip. Multiple dips create a deep dark indigo blue.

In response to increased demand for jeans in the 1950s, American denim manufacturers replaced the old shuttle style looms with modern projectile looms. The new looms produced fabric faster and wider (60-inches or wider). Synthetic dyeing techniques along with post-dye treatments were introduced to control shrink and twist.

There are quite few companies that make this style jeans, I have a pair of FiveFour's that are this style. Kinda remind me of Levi's 501's that Greasers/cholos used to wear in high school but based on the brands you're talking about I'm guessing they're high end.

[wheelfetish]

True Religions are like $300 a pair, and diesel jeans are double that. Way to much for a pair of jeans IMO. It be badass to walk around in a $600 pair of jeans, but unpractical for me atleast.

Apc are about the highest ill pay for a pair of jeans, and thats pushing it at $165. I do wear jeans for a atleast a year if not longer, so its worth it in the long run.

[Uyles]

I have three pairs of True Religions, three pairs of Rock & Republics, a pair of Diesel's and a pair of M.E.K's. Those are the only jeans I wear. I've had most for around a year or so, so I guess it's worth it to me.

Before I got nice jeans I used to rock Levi's, Freeworlds, and some other stuff. People may say "oh I don't see a difference" but honestly, my Rock & Republics feel like pajama pants compared to the Levi's.
Just 'cause you wear that shit doesn't make people be like "omg you're so cool fuck me." it's more of a preference thing I guess.

[Tuck&Poke]

im a levis man myself. Like 8 pairs of them now :stickoutt

yup, 511's all day errrday

[Effin' Euro]

There are quite few companies that make this style jeans, I have a pair of FiveFour's that are this style. Kinda remind me of Levi's 501's that Greasers/cholos used to wear in high school but based on the brands you're talking about I'm guessing they're high end.

just because it's selvedge doesn't mean it's raw/dry. dry denim is unwashed, like you said, just like the 501's. you basically wear them without washing them and they break in, you get the fades on the front known as whiskering, behind you knees, known as honey comb, as well in other places obviously. they end up pretty much forming to your body making potentially the most comfortable pair of jeans you have ever owned.

I have three pairs of True Religions, three pairs of Rock & Republics, a pair of Diesel's and a pair of M.E.K's. Those are the only jeans I wear. I've had most for around a year or so, so I guess it's worth it to me.


trust me, i wore true religions and all that labelwhore shit at one point too. they can not come close to my super budget cheap mondays.


yup, 511's all day errrday

511's are nice, but i've come to notice i can't wear them in the summer....too constricting and make my crotch feel like florida.

[macleanshaun]

UNIQLO S002 Selvedge denim for the win!
$45 for raw rope dyed selvedge.
Slim fit or regular fit.
SO good.

[Effin' Euro]

uhhh....tell me more!

[WhiteStripes]

Do they come in size 38? My biggest problem with "fashionable" jeans is they are all in such damn small sizes. I need a couple new pairs though, I really wore my current ones out this winter.

[Richard_Gud.]

uniqlo, topman, and levis. only jeans I buy now. I have a pair of triumvir dark washed that I am in love with. But the $160 price tag I wasn't, so I stick to the cheaps now.

[globalsunset]

I have a pair of Earnest Sewn jeans, I like them, they're slightly more comfortable than my Levis.

Three years ago I'd never have worn jeans. Too uncomfortable. I still favor sweat pants. :alright

[Effin' Euro]

soo, bumping this. i finally used a giftcard for urban outfitters on monday and got a new pair.
they were only 70 bucks, made by comune www.thecomune.com
seems like a pretty cool company. the fit on these bitches is amazing. they are super lightweight, which most aren't fans of, but i wanted a summertime jean until i get some 19-21oz selvedge in winter if i haven't blown all my cash on my e30.

[cheez80]

on rotation right now:
apc rescue
rrl slim straight (i freaking love these -- they're an older pair. whiskers and hige are off the chain)
a pair of kmw's

used to have:
501 made in japan selvedge
sugar cane okinawa

coming soon:
iron heart 21oz 634 -- after i buy an ipad first haha

my brother's a dry denim whore too -- i think he's rotating through helmut langs and a limited/special edition pair of iron heart's right now.

is anybody else on styleforum/superfuture?

[Effin' Euro]

i used to lurk on superfuture a liiiiiiittle bit.especially when i was first learning about this.

[SILVERJLYBEAN]

to the OP, i went from a pair of Cheap Mondays to HUF slim fits and now Naked & Famous. I highly suggest the N&F denim. It has a different weave compared to most denim which helps it keep shape nicely. The other thing is they won't swell like APC's do. Make sure to size down 2 sizes for APC's, they WILL stretch a lot.

[supersoaker50]

i agree, N&F is becoming my new favorite. However, I am currently on the hunt for some good grey selvedge, and I am not sold on the color of the N&F.

As far as APC, if you plan to wear them hard, I would recommend 3 sizes down for NS, but thats me as they stretched a ton and i want a skinnier fit, so it all depends on the OP's style, skinny or slim

any ideas on gray? i tried N&F, and I dont know any others as denim bar and co-op/barneys here doesnt have anything else...thats under $250.

[Redstar*]

Sweet thread. I have a pair of APC New Cures with about eleven months of wear on them, no washes or soaks. I'm planning on giving them a bath next month.

Here's some photos of mine at nine months, no washes or soaks. White balance was kind of FFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUU'd.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4057/4455604992_b80f43f025.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4012/4454825649_cb1297dcae.jpg

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http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4014/4455605716_c76920cd80.jpg

Note: I now have a two inch hole in the crotch due to riding my bike in them, there's a hole where my wallet is (no pun intended), and a hole where my cell phone is.

Pretty beat up nasty, dirty, girlfriend-******, jeans. My girl hates when I wear them and won't let me near her bed haha. I think I want these as my next pair though.

http://blueingreensoho.com/site/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=4415&category_id=&manufacturer_id=36&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=28

Yeeup.

[herrakani]

All my jeans are dirtyish stained b/c roadside repairs and carrying 2nd hand bits and parts from the breakers. I try to keep my business suits clean though.

[chev_chelios]

i can barely see spending $50 on a pair of jeans :rofl but i will sell you some of my old clothes for let's say ummmmmmmmmmmmm $1000 each and they have actual wear on them :alright the only thing you might not like is that they don't cut the circulation off to your groin area preventing proper development.

[Redstar*]

You guys that say you're too cheap to buy them, how many pairs of jeans do you guys typically buy in one year?

I used to buy Levis all the time, I think in one year I counted at least four pairs. At 50 dollars each, they cost more than my 165 dollar APCs and they're not nearly as nice in terms of build quality or strength. Once I wash these bad boys, they'll look dopetastic. My APCs have taken such a beating that my Levis wouldn't be able to hang with. My only gripe is that I wish the rise was higher, which is why I wanted to get something a little more comfortable for my next pair. Those Somét's I posted are "high" rise. I also wanted something Japanese and selvage. Those seem to fit the bill nicely.

[Stephen]

You guys that say you're too cheap to buy them, how many pairs of jeans do you guys typically buy in one year?

I used to buy Levis all the time, I think in one year I counted at least four pairs. At 50 dollars each, they cost more than my 165 dollar APCs and they're not nearly as nice in terms of build quality or strength. Once I wash these bad boys, they'll look dopetastic. My APCs have taken such a beating that my Levis wouldn't be able to hang with. My only gripe is that I wish the rise was higher, which is why I wanted to get something a little more comfortable for my next pair. Those Somét's I posted are "high" rise. I also wanted something Japanese and selvage. Those seem to fit the bill nicely.



Yea.. but then you only have 1 pair of jeans

[Redstar*]

Yeah and they look sicker than anything else in your wardrobe. I wear my jeans every day. *shrugs*

[nateee]

yuuuuuuhh levi's 510's.

[Geschlecht]

[QUOTE=Redstar*;160835]

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4057/4455604992_b80f43f025.jpg

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These are inspirational. I'm wearing APC New standard Petit's right now for about 3-4 months. They are still pretty dark in most places except my back pockets and a few other spots. I just bought some Penguin selvage jeans. I haven't worn them yet, but I got them on sale 40% off, normally $125, so I thought I'd give em a try.

[firelizard]

This thread is relevant to my interests, maybe.

I generally ruin 50% of the jeans I buy within the first 6 months.. I ruined a pair of American Eagles with a Sharpie when I was drawing on a friend's toe and she kicked because it tickled.

So far Levis have been the best I've owned, and at outlet pricing, the best value as well, though not the cheapest. Absolutely no way I'm spending tons of money on jeans though, not the way I use them. And besides, only other denim enthusiasts or observant label whores notice how expensive your pants are- as long as you wear them well.

[Francois Dillinger]

Threadbump much?
Gotta buy some new denim...my communes got ruined a couple months ago. Gonna head to the local boutique and try some shit on, then probably order online :)

[macleanshaun]

Uniqlo are stil the only jeans I will wear. 4 pairs. All 4 cost under $300 combined.
I have a pair of old circa stretch-fit denim for when I work on my car, but those don't really count.

[Redstar*]

These are inspirational. I'm wearing APC New standard Petit's right now for about 3-4 months. They are still pretty dark in most places except my back pockets and a few other spots. I just bought some Penguin selvage jeans. I haven't worn them yet, but I got them on sale 40% off, normally $125, so I thought I'd give em a try.

Thanks. I feel stupid though... :(

I traded those in for my new pair of Petite Standards (if you trade in your old busted pair you get a new pair half off), unknowingly that my girlfriend was planning on getting me some Petite Standards for my birthday. So now I'm back to one pair of raws again. Those served me well though. I did all sorts of crazy stuff in them. I'll post pics of the post wash later on tonight.

[Eric the Ricer]

Being 6'6" 245 doesn't make it easy to find jeans that fit well. Luckily J.Crew caters to my needs, and for $35 a pop at the outlet, I don't go anywhere else.

[benz88]

Crooks and Castles, or LRG for jeans.
Dickies for everything else. lol

[Francois Dillinger]

...i don't think you get it...

[SlowLow]

I have one pair of jeans and 12 shirts but only 5 fit. :cool

[Francois Dillinger]

wut?

[votex29]

Yup i think i'm about at the same number :D....514s for me!! only denim in my closet right now

514's are the only levi's i rock.

[Stephen]

:rofl

[mtm_motors]

Rock & Republics... the Henlee fit is great but runs short for me (I'm 6' 3) but Colberg is spot on
and a pair of RRL (Ralph Lauren) selvedge, they're pretty great...

[Heist]

bringing this back from the dead, but I figured on a forum like this people would have some decent taste in denim. In my mind quality denim craftsmanship is really important. I like my jeans to age and last.

http://endvrdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/97.jpg

4th pair of slims. Blew the ass out completely thanks to all my recent bike riding I will post more later
http://endvrdaily.com/wp-content/gallery/rawd/141.jpg

Imperials
http://endvrdaily.com/wp-content/gallery/rawd/142.jpg

recent slim pick up black coat. favorite pair so far.
http://endvrdaily.com/wp-content/gallery/rawd/143.jpg
http://endvrdaily.com/wp-content/gallery/rawd/144.jpg
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[kbuss]

I'm 21, bought my first pair of jeans last week because I HAD to lolol

[FunfGang]

I just wear skinny jeans :rofl I don't give a shit as long as they're slim and last long. Ive had my current pair for over a year and a half, Bullhead. Wear them pretty much everyday, have yet to fall apart/ rip.

[Kielan]

I've got 3 pairs of 511s I cycle through, just got my third pair yesterday. Absolutely love them, I guess I could post pics tomorrow. I want to get some raw selvedge 511s this winter. Really want to up my denim game lol. Even it isn't raw, want some selvedge in my life.

[Francois Dillinger]

I've got 3 pairs of 511s I cycle through, just got my third pair yesterday. Absolutely love them, I guess I could post pics tomorrow. I want to get some raw selvedge 511s this winter. Really want to up my denim game lol. Even it isn't raw, want some selvedge in my life.
good girl.

heist, nice collection. i like nudie's cuts, but **** detailed pockets.

was anticipating on stepping my game up with some bigboy shit this year, but alas i'm broke yet again. looks like i'll just be settling for a pair of naked and famous :/

[Kielan]

Meh, idk if I'll buy anything other than 511s for a while, I just really like how they fit, and I don't really want to experiment right now. And really for the price they aren't bad at all.

[Francois Dillinger]

levi's are good for the price, i wore them for a long time.

however, i will never stray from my dirty denim. the fit is fucking outstanding. after a couple of weeks anyway :D

[T3rd Ferguson]

i've been wearing my APC New cure's for 2 years, soaked them once. They look incredible but have literally no crotch left, so I'm not wearing them until I can find the time to patch them up.

I am on my 2nd pair of Supreme Rigid's, the first pair was noticeably thicker denim then the second pair. Both are completely blown out in the crotches but I wear them regularly. I gotta stop riding my bicycles in raw denim.

These are pictures my friend seth (RIP) took a few months ago. one soak in woolite black

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v67/deathtoseth/APC/DSC_0168.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v67/deathtoseth/APC/DSC_0174.jpg

This was after 9 months, no wash

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v67/deathtoseth/DSC_0437.jpg

[Francois Dillinger]

jesus fuck those look comfortable.

[T3rd Ferguson]

jesus fuck those look comfortable.

they literally slip on every morning like they are a part of me, hahaha. Most comfortable jeans I have ever owned, and i have owned diesel (over priced, ugly, fit like garbage), organic 7's (flimsy denim, lasted only a few months), citizens (decent, but fit a little funky), plus all the others.

[Heist]

APC's are looking great. I might have to pick up another pair, miss mine.

I think we can all agree riding and denim is a killer. Lost this pair to it
http://endvrdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/349.jpg
http://endvrdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/350.jpg

They lived through a fire, falling out of a car, and a million other things.

[Banana]

i'm a raw jean addict
i've been wearing some pure blue japans for about a year and 3/4 and theyre my only pair of jeans lol.
i've some owned nudies, 501s, self edge collab, etc
once theyre broken in they become super comfy and it's cool to see how far you've come in a year

[Heist]

good to hear and totally agree^. Satisfying when they fit you like a second skin and naturally age.

[Kielan]

As much as I would love to buy a pair of APCs, I don't think I can really justify spending that much on denim. I understand the quality and what not is superb, but like $200+ on jeans I just don't know if I could do that.

[Team_Gileto]

not washing jeans for months and wearing the same pair everyday kind of sounds gross. I fix homes and shit all day so i usually beat my jeans to shit. So just regular ole wranglers for me. But i do have like 15 pairs of work jeans.

[DeeAOne]

Most of mine are from Old Navy. Works fine for me because I somehow ruin all of them. Only decent (i guess) pair I have are from Aeropostale. Probably the most comfortable pair of jeans I've ever owned.

[NewNoise]

Got some Nudie Thin Finn's about a month ago, dry selvage. Fits so good when you wear em' a little low. Can't wait for the indigo to do it's magic.

Now in the winter i like to wear them with my brown leather boots and slightly rolled up legs. Love leather as well, ages just as beautiful as denim.

[FluidMotorUnion]

I will stand by Banana Republic's denim until the world ends. For half the price of Nudies or 7's, you get a good hi-quality denim that will last if you treat it correctly and don't overwash it.

I usually go about two to four weeks inbetween washing cycles with my jeans. Wash 'em inside-out and you'll have a great pair for a long time.

[Kielan]

I will stand by Banana Republic's denim until the world ends. For half the price of Nudies or 7's, you get a good hi-quality denim that will last if you treat it correctly and don't overwash it.

I usually go about two to four weeks inbetween washing cycles with my jeans. Wash 'em inside-out and you'll have a great pair for a long time.
Gap/Old Navy/Banana Republic, all the same thing.

[FluidMotorUnion]

Gap/Old Navy/Banana Republic, all the same thing.

The disparate quality of denim is actually very, very apparent across all three brands. I've owned jeans from all three, and the BR denim is quite unlike that from the Gap.

I wouldn't buy $100 jeans over $50 jeans if they were made from the same denim.

[MommysLittleMonster]

Why 10 pairs of work jeans and 3 pairs of nice jeans?

BECAUSE RACECAR BUILDER.

[Jesus Christ]

Why 10 pairs of work jeans and 3 pairs of nice jeans?

BECAUSE RACECAR BUILDER.

fuck man, can we give the because racecar shit a break?

[MommysLittleMonster]

Nope.

[Kielan]

The disparate quality of denim is actually very, very apparent across all three brands. I've owned jeans from all three, and the BR denim is quite unlike that from the Gap.

I wouldn't buy $100 jeans over $50 jeans if they were made from the same denim.
I worked at Old Navy, the only difference comes in their raw categories.

[Heist]

A lot goes into a quality pair of denim vs average. How the cotton was laid, the denim weight, the cut and stitching.

Levi's and Gap have made some nice cuts and have had some outstanding quality. It's personal preference at the end of the day. I don't buy designer jeans that you wash I think its boring. Kind of lame buying something that someone cut up, when you can wear them and it will do the same thing over time while you get to actually use them.

Favorite site for ridiculously priced cool denim:
http://www.selfedge.com/

education on selvedge
http://www.contextclothing.com/support/selvage_denim.php

[Team_Gileto]

Being a "Larger Man" i get what i can in my size lol

[jdel]

I need some recommendations for jeans to try. I have never tried a pair of raw jeans but I love how jeans fit when you don't wash them. What are the best brands?

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[mrg7243]

I love hte way american eagle jeans feel. But I think I may over wash them as they dont last that long. Also they are kinda thin.

[Francois Dillinger]

I need some recommendations for jeans to try. I have never tried a pair of raw jeans but I love how jeans fit when you don't wash them. What are the best brands?

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What's your budget?

I love hte way american eagle jeans feel. But I think I may over wash them as they dont last that long. Also they are kinda thin.

That's not what this thread is about.

[jdel]

What's your budget?



That's not what this thread is about.

Lets just say 150 for now. I currently have tried American eagle jeans but like the previous poster said they are really fucking thin and previously washed.

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[Redstar*]

Girlfriend spilled beer all over my jeans last week. Honey badger don't give a fuck. Didn't wash them.

[Kielan]

Do you even own a pair of like Levi's Justin?

[Stancy E39]

I wear raw denim. I have a pair of RRL raw selvidge denim and some stf 501 Levis. I honestly like my Levis best. I love taking the time to break them in and wear them to my body. There character gets deeper as does my car with age.

My goal is to have some 501`s at all stages of fade, from dark and stiff to worn and loose all with my fades.

[jdel]

Do you even own a pair of like Levi's Justin?

No. I have only worn American Eagle jeans for the last few years because they are the most comfortable for me.

[benz88]

A good substitute for not washing your jeans is to fold them and bag them. Toss them in the freezer for a day. The cold will kill all the bacteria on them. if there's about of dirt just take a damp cloth and wipe it off.

[NewNoise]

A good substitute for not washing your jeans is to fold them and bag them. Toss them in the freezer for a day. The cold will kill all the bacteria on them. if there's about of dirt just take a damp cloth and wipe it off.

^ This, and if you need to remove any odor just hang the jeans outside for a day.

[Kielan]

No. I have only worn American Eagle jeans for the last few years because they are the most comfortable for me.
Ok. Well 150 doesn't give you many options in the world of raw denim. Unbranded is going to be your best bet. They sell them on the Urban Outfitters site.

[Francois Dillinger]

you can get N&F, but you would be just wasting your money. there isn't really much at your price point. you can get cheaper budget denim like cheap monday, comune, levi, maybe WeSC, etc. for less than your budget, or spend a little more and get a higher quality. since it's your first pair i would just try to snag some 501's or something along those lines.

honestly, coming from ae denim, you might not even like the feel. and if you do, you won't really appreciate the quality of stuff on the higher end just yet, and could make "mistakes". no sense in going all in right away.

[Rebounder]

I have 1 pair of jeans and they are a wide leg(not flared) pair from value village. they fit over my shoes like fenders should wheels. but, they're womens. :rofl nobody makes wide leg guy's pants:mad

[jdel]

you can get N&F, but you would be just wasting your money. there isn't really much at your price point. you can get cheaper budget denim like cheap monday, comune, levi, maybe WeSC, etc. for less than your budget, or spend a little more and get a higher quality. since it's your first pair i would just try to snag some 501's or something along those lines.

honestly, coming from ae denim, you might not even like the feel. and if you do, you won't really appreciate the quality of stuff on the higher end just yet, and could make "mistakes". no sense in going all in right away.

That's why I'm asking you guys for recommendations. I'll look in to what you recommended and try out a pair to see if I like them.

[Gator]

seriously? seriously?

[Kielan]

That's why I'm asking you guys for recommendations. I'll look in to what you recommended and try out a pair to see if I like them.
I'd get some rigid Levi's before I dove into raw denim just to see if you like how it feels.

[mrg7243]

What's your budget?



That's not what this thread is about.

I actually justrealized what is was about. I am interested now.

I am a big guy what is a recommendation for me?

[Kielan]

What kind of fit do you normally wear? And how much do you want to spend?

[mrg7243]

What kind of fit do you normally wear? And how much do you want to spend?

A relaxed fit, but not bootcut. like 175ish. I was looking at the levi but they werent raw jeans many had been pre-washed

[Kielan]

Levi's definitely makes 501s in raw.

[sacrifice]

I have worn jeans that have been in the hundreds per pair and $30 per pair. I will admit lucky jeans are extremely comfortable, but not worth the price. The best fitting jeans are the ones that fit well after walking around in them for an hour or so.

[sacrifice]

Levi's definitely makes 501s in raw.

Yes. Bought a pair of 501 dark wash recently. Fit was off when I tried them on, bought them anyway. They are slowly becoming my favorite pair

[Kielan]

I have worn jeans that have been in the hundreds per pair and $30 per pair. I will admit lucky jeans are extremely comfortable, but not worth the price. The best fitting jeans are the ones that fit well after walking around in them for an hour or so.That is your opinion.
Yes. Bought a pair of 501 dark wash recently. Fit was off when I tried them on, bought them anyway. They are slowly becoming my favorite pair

Dark wash =/= raw...

[mrg7243]

Levi's definitely makes 501s in raw.

How do I tell if they are raw? or Is that only the selvage ones that are?

[sacrifice]

Dark wash =/= raw...

http://www.selectism.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/levis-1954-lvc-denim-501-cut-selectism-0.jpg

[Kielan]

How do I tell if they are raw? or Is that only the selvage ones that are?The price, and all their raw cuts are also selvedge, but not all of their selvedge is raw.

http://www.selectism.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/levis-1954-lvc-denim-501-cut-selectism-0.jpg

What is that trying to show me?

[sacrifice]

I would call that a dark wash, and it is raw

[mrg7243]

I found it, its the 501s that are shrink to fit

[Kielan]

I would call that a dark wash, and it is raw
I would just call it raw, because its you know... Raw.. And that's what raw indigo looks like..

[Francois Dillinger]

I have 1 pair of jeans and they are a wide leg(not flared) pair from value village. they fit over my shoes like fenders should wheels. but, they're womens. :rofl nobody makes wide leg guy's pants:mad

:shifty





:rofl

That's why I'm asking you guys for recommendations. I'll look in to what you recommended and try out a pair to see if I like them.

for sure. yeah mean just get some STF 501's to start out. they are readily available, inexpensive, and very good quality for the price. i recommend doing a hot soak and air dry to start out though.

I have worn jeans that have been in the hundreds per pair and $30 per pair. I will admit lucky jeans are extremely comfortable, but not worth the price. The best fitting jeans are the ones that fit well after walking around in them for an hour or so.

i wore luckybrand in middle school....they are seriously some of the shittiest over priced denim i've seen. the button fly opening is kinda funny though.

How do I tell if they are raw? or Is that only the selvage ones that are?

like kielan said, not all selvedge is raw, and not all raw is selvedge. you can tell by the look and feel of the denim.

I would call that a dark wash, and it is raw

raw=unwashed. so anything with "wash" in it, is not raw. well...there's one wash, but i would be extremely surprised if levis had one wash denim, and it would say one wash in it.

I found it, its the 501s that are shrink to fit

:alright

[ilikestance]

i rock bdu pants, cant beat $30 a pair lol, there super durable and comfy to.

[mrg7243]

Gonna order a pair or two of 501s STF soon

[mrg7243]

Just picked up a pair of 501 STF from dillards, They have a whole bunch of different colors besides the blue and black. Cant wait to get these started

[Kielan]

Anyone here wear Rogue Territory? Really considering buying a pair.
http://www.rogueterritory.com/store/s-k/

[Francois Dillinger]

you seriously think anyone on here wears them? have you looked through this thread at all?

:rofl

[Kielan]

you seriously think anyone on here wears them? have you looked through this thread at all?

:rofl
This is true. STF 501s seem to be ground breaking ideas LOL.

[Moose]

Big fan of Levie 511s, but plan on trying something a bit nicer when my current pair of raw selvedge from them are used up. T.j. Maxx will get their raw non selvedge denim in on occasion which ends up being a good deal at 20 a pop. Their raw nom-selvedge denim is pretty quality for the price it goes for. I dislike the feel of washed or soft denim now, just feels cheap, can't do it. My only complaint on the 511s is I wouldnt mind it being a bit more narrow cut down towards the ankle.

[Kielan]

Big fan of Levie 511s, but plan on trying something a bit nicer when my current pair of raw selvedge from them are used up. T.j. Maxx will get their raw non selvedge denim in on occasion which ends up being a good deal at 20 a pop. Their raw nom-selvedge denim is pretty quality for the price it goes for. I dislike the feel of washed or soft denim now, just feels cheap, can't do it. My only complaint on the 511s is I wouldnt mind it being a bit more narrow cut down towards the ankle.
Take them to a tailor, and see if they can do something about that for ya.

Right now, I really do like my selvedge 511s love the way they feel, even though they are a washed denim, they feel so much better than that of their non-selvedge, rigid offerings.

From this point, I'm not sure what my next pair will be, I'm seriously considering Rogue Territory and N&F. Obviously Unbranded is the cheapest way to go, but I'm not sure if they will ever be in stock again hahaha.

I do want a pair of raw 511s though, I feel it would really round out my Levi's experience haha.

[Francois Dillinger]

They will never be in stock again ever. Find out if rogue is chainstitched before you drop the coin on them. They are Sanforized so they wont shrink much but I bet they will stretch a good amount.

[Kielan]

They will never be in stock again ever. Find out if rogue is chainstitched before you drop the coin on them. They are Sanforized so they wont shrink much but I bet they will stretch a good amount.
I know, I know. I haven't looked into them any more since we talked about them earlier.

[soab]

im too cheap for expensive clothes. plus, i always find myself working on cars. any time i try to wear something nice i end up ruining them

Glad im not the only one who always seems to find themselves working on cars when they are in nice clothes haha

[Kielan]

Glad im not the only one who always seems to find themselves working on cars when they are in nice clothes haha
I do it all the time. Don't be a pussy.

If that is your excuse to not buy higher quality clothing, then don't pretend that you want high quality clothing because its really not a valid excuse.

[soab]

I do it all the time. Don't be a pussy.

If that is your excuse to not buy higher quality clothing, then don't pretend that you want high quality clothing because its really not a valid excuse.

Wait was that directed at me or at pussies?

[Dudermagee]

I don't buy\wear them, because spending $100+ on a pair of jeans is fucking retarded.

[Kielan]

Wait was that directed at me or at pussies?
Whatever you want it to be.
I don't buywear them, because spending $100+ on a pair of jeans is fucking retarded.
False.

[Dudermagee]

Whatever you want it to be.

False.

When you can buy 3-4 pairs in exactly the same cut and color, then yes it is retarded.

[Kielan]

When you can buy 3-4 pairs in exactly the same cut and color, then yes it is retarded.
No, its not.

Would you buy replica wheels because they looked the same and were 1/4 of the price?

[Dudermagee]

No, its not.

Would you buy replica wheels because they looked the same and were 1/4 of the price?

:facepalm
Levi's aren't replicas, and they are a quarter of the price.
And thats just one brand name off the top of my head.
Face it, you're buying them because of the name and the fact that its just plain expensive.
It has almost nothing to do with quality.

I have a pair of silvertab jeans I got about 3-4 years ago, I wear them about 2-3 times a week and guess what? They are still in perfectly good condition! Oh and that pretty much goes the same for every pair of jeans I've ever owned.
There is no magic way to using denim, fucking 5 year old children in a foreign county can figure it out so its not exactly as difficult or as dangerous as wheel development.

[Kielan]

:facepalm
Levi's aren't replicas, and they are a quarter of the price.
And thats just one brand name off the top of my head.
Face it, you're buying them because of the name and the fact that its just plain expensive.
It has almost nothing to do with quality.

I have a pair of silvertab jeans I got about 3-4 years ago, I wear them about 2-3 times a week and guess what? They are still in perfectly good condition! Oh and that pretty much goes the same for every pair of jeans I've ever owned.
There is no magic way to using denim, fucking 5 year old children in a foreign county can figure it out so its not exactly as difficult or as dangerous as wheel development.
You do realize that Levi's raw denim is $178?

If you don't understand it that's fine, but raw denim and washed denim are not the same at all. There is a reason that raw costs more than washed.

[Dudermagee]

You do realize that Levi's raw denim is $178?

If you don't understand it that's fine, but raw denim and washed denim are not the same at all. There is a reason that raw costs more than washed.

Hipster fee

[Kielan]

Hipster fee
Dudeman, with all due respect, there is no reason for you to be in this thread.

[firelizard3]

Not really one for expensive jeans, kinda defeats the purpose of getting jeans IMO.

:o


Raw denim is absolutely priced high as a hipster fee. If people find they like the fit of a particular model, and don't mind the price, good for them. This thread is a good idea, for that. But people who are just fine with the comfy pair of washed denims they have don't give a shit about how much better you are than them because your jeans faded naturally.

[Kielan]

:o


Raw denim is absolutely priced high as a hipster fee. If people find they like the fit of a particular model, and don't mind the price, good for them. This thread is a good idea, for that. But people who are just fine with the comfy pair of washed denims they have don't give a shit about how much better you are than them because your jeans faded naturally.
Before I tried it and saw what it was all about..

This thread is all about raw denim, its not about washed denim. If there were a general denim thread then sure I don't disagree. But that's not what this thread is about.

I own 3 pairs of non-selvedge denim, and I don't like the feel or fit of them nearly as much, as I do my selvedge. There is a lot more to raw denim than if they faded naturally or not, to me that doesn't even matter. Its how they break in and fit to me, and ultimately end up being more comfortable than any other pair of washed denim.

I'm not saying you have to buy raw denim either. Shit if you find a cut that you like at a good price go with it for sure, hell once I found 511s, I didn't buy anything else, and then I jumped at a 50% deal on my selvedge 511s, and from there I never looked back.

And btw you can get Unbranded (which is raw selvedge) for $78, proving you don't need to spend a shit load on good quality denim.

[Dudermagee]

Dudeman, with all due respect, there is no reason for you to be in this thread.

Sure there is, i was bored

[firelizard3]

Before I tried it and saw what it was all about..

This thread is all about raw denim, its not about washed denim. If there were a general denim thread then sure I don't disagree. But that's not what this thread is about.

I own 3 pairs of non-selvedge denim, and I don't like the feel or fit of them nearly as much, as I do my selvedge. There is a lot more to raw denim than if they faded naturally or not, to me that doesn't even matter. Its how they break in and fit to me, and ultimately end up being more comfortable than any other pair of washed denim.

I'm not saying you have to buy raw denim either. Shit if you find a cut that you like at a good price go with it for sure, hell once I found 511s, I didn't buy anything else, and then I jumped at a 50% deal on my selvedge 511s, and from there I never looked back.

And btw you can get Unbranded (which is raw selvedge) for $78, proving you don't need to spend a shit load on good quality denim.

That's totally fine too, like I said, I have nothing against this thread. I came in here to check out what you guys had to say about raw denim.

I want to take this opportunity though, to point out that selvedge and raw are not the same thing. Although they are often together (selvedge being raw, raw being selvedge). Selvedge is expensive as a result of the manufacturing method being less efficient and less common. Non-selvedge denim could be sold raw. I don't know if this is the case anywhere though.

I wouldn't confuse archaic production methods with good quality though, just as a grain of salt. Example being Levi's, who produce high quality jeans both washed, and untreated selvedge.

[soab]

No, its not.

Would you buy replica wheels because they looked the same and were 1/4 of the price?

Knew that was comin :rofl

[Kielan]

That's totally fine too, like I said, I have nothing against this thread. I came in here to check out what you guys had to say about raw denim.

I want to take this opportunity though, to point out that selvedge and raw are not the same thing. Although they are often together (selvedge being raw, raw being selvedge). Selvedge is expensive as a result of the manufacturing method being less efficient and less common. Non-selvedge denim could be sold raw. I don't know if this is the case anywhere though.

I wouldn't confuse archaic production methods with good quality though, just as a grain of salt. Example being Levi's, who produce high quality jeans both washed, and untreated selvedge.
I know selvedge =/= raw and raw =/= selvedge. The two just typically go hand in hand. Shit my 511s selvedge are washed, but they are far more rigid than any other pair of washed denim I have ever had.

[Francois Dillinger]

The raw =/= selvedge has been explained multiple times in this thread.

[Kielan]

The raw =/= selvedge has been explained multiple times in this thread.
Also true.

[firelizard3]

I guess I skipped a couple pages, apparently we're all on the same page

[Redstar*]

My APCs are seriously falling apart. I need to get a new pair of jeans.

[firelizard3]

So, I eBay'd myself a pair of Academi Love Japan jeans, and they came in yesterday. First, I have to say that I bought them for the price and size (28/32, not that common). But...


Wow. The fit is incredible. The stiffness of the denim is weird, especially to feel it against my legs since it's less than 'relaxed' fit (no, they're not skinny jeans), but not as unpleasant as some people have reported. Would I prefer to find a set of washed Levi's off the rack for the same price? So far, yes, but these are a nice pair and we'll see how they hold up. Very dark dye, should age nicely if the construction lasts.

[seffer]

its all about black pants and a t

[Francois Dillinger]

Then get the fuck out of this thread!

[oldmajor]

i need to focus on one pair i have a couple pairs of naked and famous(usually worn 4times out of the week) and some cheap mondays,10 deep,slacks i wear whenever I'm actually working on stuff or riding bmx.

[mrg7243]

So I am bumping this thread.

I have been working on my Levi's STF 501s for the past year and they turned out okay, The wiskers and honeycombs are as prominent as I would like them to be which I found out how to fix.

Though heres what I just got. American Eagle Raw and Selvedge denim. Now I know that phrase sounds all sorts of whack but for the price I paid per pair they cant be denied. A whopping 23.99 a pair after coupons and sales(gotta be thrifty)

This pair is both raw and selvedge.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8360/8347718616_c618349bec_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/slammedsedan/8347718616/)
American Eagle raw denim (http://www.flickr.com/photos/slammedsedan/8347718616/) by slammedsedan (http://www.flickr.com/people/slammedsedan/), on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8465/8347717318_74ea87661c_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/slammedsedan/8347717318/)
American Eagle raw denim (http://www.flickr.com/photos/slammedsedan/8347717318/) by slammedsedan (http://www.flickr.com/people/slammedsedan/), on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8491/8346661521_06fa257425_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/slammedsedan/8346661521/)
American Eagle raw denim (http://www.flickr.com/photos/slammedsedan/8346661521/) by slammedsedan (http://www.flickr.com/people/slammedsedan/), on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8213/8347715430_02565855c6_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/slammedsedan/8347715430/)
American Eagle raw denim (http://www.flickr.com/photos/slammedsedan/8347715430/) by slammedsedan (http://www.flickr.com/people/slammedsedan/), on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8226/8346653625_f6a7321003_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/slammedsedan/8346653625/)
American Eagle raw denim (http://www.flickr.com/photos/slammedsedan/8346653625/) by slammedsedan (http://www.flickr.com/people/slammedsedan/), on Flickr

This pair is a light weight pair.

This next pair is just raw but not selvedge

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8351/8346659099_d428dd86ef_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/slammedsedan/8346659099/)
American Eagle raw denim (http://www.flickr.com/photos/slammedsedan/8346659099/) by slammedsedan (http://www.flickr.com/people/slammedsedan/), on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8091/8347710934_1992158aba_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/slammedsedan/8347710934/)
American Eagle raw denim (http://www.flickr.com/photos/slammedsedan/8347710934/) by slammedsedan (http://www.flickr.com/people/slammedsedan/), on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8512/8346655487_2dc886f747_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/slammedsedan/8346655487/)
American Eagle raw denim (http://www.flickr.com/photos/slammedsedan/8346655487/) by slammedsedan (http://www.flickr.com/people/slammedsedan/), on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8469/8347709280_e753b8d62e_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/slammedsedan/8347709280/)
American Eagle raw denim (http://www.flickr.com/photos/slammedsedan/8347709280/) by slammedsedan (http://www.flickr.com/people/slammedsedan/), on Flickr

This tag was on both of them

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8077/8347712336_75fb91f06b_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/slammedsedan/8347712336/)
American Eagle raw denim (http://www.flickr.com/photos/slammedsedan/8347712336/) by slammedsedan (http://www.flickr.com/people/slammedsedan/), on Flickr

I will see how they hold up

[Francois Dillinger]

dems look like one wash.

i just did a hot soak on my durkl 443 the other day. love the fuck outta them. and my goodale raw selvedge are coming in nicely, but will require a hotsoak to shrink em up a bit. i'll post pics if i remember.

[mrg7243]

dems look like one wash.

i just did a hot soak on my durkl 443 the other day. love the fuck outta them. and my goodale raw selvedge are coming in nicely, but will require a hotsoak to shrink em up a bit. i'll post pics if i remember.

The selvedge ones yes. The other I can say that they are. Have the same looks and feel as my 501 stf before wear.

I am not sure if they are sanforized or not but I will treat them as not.

Here is a good place to get info and tips

http://www.rawrdenim.com/

I just starched my 501s as I didnt like the way they were fading, and I washed them 2 to many times being impatient

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I now know the second pair I posted is raw. Just did a sitting hot soak. The amount of dye that was in the tub after was unreal. These are going to have some good honeycombs