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    Stance -- Defined?

    I'd like to think I'm a student of Stance. I capitalize Stance on purpose; for the same reason Catholic's capitalize God. Some of you may be aware that I'm an engineer. I work with numbers, criteria, mechanical envelopes, and constraints all day long. Most of the things in the engineering world come about from equations, safety factors, or other design criteria that must be adhered to. As a good student of Stance, I look at cars quite a bit on the internet. Clicking on links of links. Getting lost in a sea of still images, each one showing a different definition of what Stance might be, or how someone else perceives it. Part of me has always thought that there must be some sort of equation that provides a basis for proper Stance. Here I make an attempt to define the variables and relationship between those variables that blend together to make a well balanced Stance.

    Variables:

    Gap -- A measure of distance between wheel lip or tire to fender. Although weighted differently than low, the lack of fender gap creates an aggressive look and the feeling of danger due to the potential for damage (see Damage further down). {G1} refers to gap between the front wheel/tire and front fender. {G2} refers to gap between the rear wheel/tire and rear fender. {G1}{G2}

    Wheelbase -- The distance between the wheels of the automobile in question. {Wb}

    Muffler -- How much space there is between the ground and muffler can. Busted mufflers that dangle and move need not apply. {M}

    Oilpan -- Common place where low is measured. Usually at the front of an automobile, this Low measurement marks the begining of the Low Function. {Op}

    Rake -- The slope (rise over run) of the bottom of the automobile were Low is measured.




    Exhaust -- Another common place where low is measured. Exhaust usually extends back from Oilpan and is measured in inches. {E}

    Low -- The measurment of clearance from any portion of the automobile to the surface on which it rolls. Of course Stance is not acheiveable without low. In all forms of Stance, low is a requirement. Low can be expressed as a function of previously defined variables.



    Wheel -- A rolling appartus that the tire mounts to, providing increased style and personality to the automobile in question. Wheels can create Stance in one of many ways. Customization, rarity, size, uniqueness, marque mismatch. {w}

    Poke -- The extension of the wheel lip even with, or past the fender line. Poke can be achieved with spacers or, in the case of modular wheels, wider outers. Poke can be excessive, depending on other variable measurments poke can detract from Stance. {P}

    Stretch -- The use of a tire that is more narrow than the wheel. In order to mount these tires one must "stretch" them beyond their normal design constraints. {Sr}

    Damage -- The lack of damage is not a penalty when talking about Stance, but damage as a direct result of Stance is seen as a form of Stance in itself. Like the enherinet hangover associated with drinking too much, damage seems to be an acceptable side effect of Stance. Like a hangover, damage hurts at first, but is then worn as a badge of honor. Fender damage from the effects of Gap, or mechanical failure of oilpans as a function of Low, and damage in the vain of Style are all acceptable forms of damage. {D}

    Tuck -- When Gap becomes a negative number. Used only in reference to wheel lip. {T}



    Style -- The most subjective of all variables. Style refers to the ability of the automobile owner to create Stance through the use of unique materials, vision, and unique combinations. Style could be best described as the artform of Stance. {Sy}

    Visual Aids for Variables:

    Damage / Gap:



    Exhaust / Gap / Wheel:



    Low / Tuck:



    Stretch:



    Constants:

    Daylight -- The presence of photons (in a wave or particle form) emitted from the sun. {Dl}

    Relations:

    Working on relating all the variables to eachother is essentially the process of Stance. Some relations have already been defined through the explanation of the variables. Rules per say. Taking all these variables and making an overlying Stance equation is a daunting task. Taking the variables and defining which of them are multipliers, which can or can not be present in the event of the other's existance, and making sure that weights are adequitely placed on those which make the largest Stance impact all become an excersize. As a student of Stance I have scoured the internet looking for the most prevalent, prolific, and popular examples of Stance. Using these examples the Stance equation / formula was born.


    Feel free to add your prime examples of specific variables. Congratulations if you read all of this.
    Last edited by TheNeek; 06-12-2009, 04:28 PM.

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  • #2
    I was just thinking of this last night. Granted i didnt take it this far.

    However i think style is a major factor, as the lowest, most stretch, and most agressive fitment can still look stupid.

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    • #3
      Hm. That's an interesting way to look at it, however I do believe that Stance is not a science but rather an art form and therefore can not be solely defined by such formulas.

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      • #4
        A+ Thread!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Dr.AK View Post
          Hm. That's an interesting way to look at it, however I do believe that Stance is not a science but rather an art form and therefore can not be solely defined by such formulas.
          But applying the variables in differing degrees provides for infinite number of combinations. Thus giving rise to "art" as you call it. Also, see definition of Sy (Style).

          There is a interesting quote that I think about often:
          "On an infinite time line, if you train a monkey to randomly bang keys on a typewriter, eventually it will produce Hamlet word for word"
          -- Unknown
          Last edited by TheNeek; 06-11-2009, 06:32 PM.

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          • #6
            very clever. i read it all. but say two vehicles of the same make, mods, and height only differ by their exhaust setups. one is raised and the other hangs lower...then because of the variable, E, the stance equation would state that one vehicle has a better stance than the other..which is not true.
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            • #7
              not in the sense you're thinking but as a whole, there's a greater risk for damage, which in turn is part of a car's "stance". Right?

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              • #8
                I botched the "rake" calculation too. It needs some work.

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                • #9
                  This thread is awesome. A+ work.
                  Originally posted by da3bous
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                  • #10
                    Nice formula dude! need to calc that one someday

                    Is there grades on that one? from 0-5 A , 5-10 B, ... "B-grade approved"
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                    • #11
                      Awesome!

                      Originally posted by Exami View Post
                      Nice formula dude! need to calc that one someday

                      Is there grades on that one? from 0-5 A , 5-10 B, ... "B-grade approved"
                      That would be nice


                      p.s.: Wheel - W How you grade that ? How can you establish what value "w" has ?
                      Last edited by Skillz; 06-11-2009, 10:58 PM.
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                      • #12
                        Lol, classic.

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                        • #13
                          Should post this in R&S over one BF.C
                          Originally posted by da3bous
                          I want you to photoshop a giant penis down the side of my car

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                          • #14
                            ahhh now I feel educated

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                            • #15
                              I enjoyed that read.
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