Anyone Juiced?

[j-stance]

Im still on the search for adjustable ride height at the flick of a switch but have pretty much ruled out air ride due to the handling aspect :(
(civic ek with a integra type r conversion, its not going to be a slouch, or spending its time on the motorway/straight lines)
My next idea was to go with Hydraulic Suspension :eyebrows anyone here running such a setup?
Ive 'heard' that the handling is ace and would make the civic handle like a gokart :rofl (ride 'quality' is not a concern, i dont mind a bumpy ride) can anyone back this up?

[Kielan]

There are a few guys on here with Hydraulics. I know Benz88 has some on his Lincoln, and he has said great things about his.

And unless you intend on tracking the car, air is still a very reasonable option.

[Oxer]

Hydraulics have a great ride when you incorporate actuators in the system.

[LuckyBoyOne3]

Hydraulics have a great ride when you incorporate actuators in the system.

Accumulators is what you were looking for there...

and as far as handling goes when it comes to air ride, my car handles and rides better on air then most of my friends cars that are on coil-overs.

[Han]

Why do you say you ruled out air ride due to the handling?

[benz88]

Im on hydraulics. Handling can be great depending on how you set it up. If you use stock coils cut down it should ride really good and handle decent. if you want more cushion add accumulators or shocks. both help alot. If you want more help let me know.

Also told you guys we need a Hydraulic section.

[Oxer]

Accumulators is what you were looking for there...

Indeed it was... Mind blank. I blame dehydration..

[j-stance]

i ruled out air just from what ive read in general. I have a friend that has bags on a clio, and it bounces whilst going down the motorway. So just from seeing that i cannot really see it being great in the corners. Also, in my mind .. i can see the bag 'tearing' when cornering hard.

Im not looking to do trackdays with the car (but if hydraulics can stand up to it then thats peeeeerfect) BUT i may look into a trip the the nurburg ring in the future, but its not too much of a problem as il just use a different car if it comes to it :stickoutt

Il more than likely go with Rayvern Hydraulics, id like to have a go setting it up myself (which saves me £750) but im not too sure yet..

It was said that 'Handling with our diss setup it will handle like a go kart' ...I would guess that means distribution setup but im not sure?

[Han]

i ruled out air just from what ive read in general. I have a friend that has bags on a clio, and it bounces whilst going down the motorway. So just from seeing that i cannot really see it being great in the corners. Also, in my mind .. i can see the bag 'tearing' when cornering hard.

Im not looking to do trackdays with the car (but if hydraulics can stand up to it then thats peeeeerfect) BUT i may look into a trip the the nurburg ring in the future, but its not too much of a problem as il just use a different car if it comes to it :stickoutt

Il more than likely go with Rayvern Hydraulics, id like to have a go setting it up myself (which saves me £750) but im not too sure yet..

It was said that 'Handling with our diss setup it will handle like a go kart' ...I would guess that means distribution setup but im not sure?

Bags don't magically tear or pop from hard cornering and driving in general unless if it is being struck with a sharp object or rubbing against something. A specific PSI in the bag equates to a "spring rate" so the bouncing is probably either from a high PSI or a low PSI. I mean, look at the lorries that are around - they use air-ride in one way or another and carrying 20,000lbs of load doesn't "pop" them, either.

I need to find the old school Camaros and Mustang auto-crossing on air-ride videos to post up...

[AccuMike]

There are many "myths" associated with air suspension setups... one of the worst, is that it doesn't handle as well. That is a fallacy, as the system can be designed and properly setup to handle exactly as needed! One of the cool things that we've found with the pro-touring and performance driven markets is that an air system can be dialed in using our e-Level controller by programming the #1 preset with the exact specs needed to rally, track, or race, and then simply use the #2 setting for daily driving ;)

With proper engineering and installation, the spring rates can be controlled and will still offer the desired functionality and adjustability you're after!

[j-stance]

There are many "myths" associated with air suspension setups... one of the worst, is that it doesn't handle as well. That is a fallacy, as the system can be designed and properly setup to handle exactly as needed! One of the cool things that we've found with the pro-touring and performance driven markets is that an air system can be dialed in using our e-Level controller by programming the #1 preset with the exact specs needed to rally, track, or race, and then simply use the #2 setting for daily driving ;)

With proper engineering and installation, the spring rates can be controlled and will still offer the desired functionality and adjustability you're after!

ah okay...
is there much of a price difference between hydraulic and air?
i was quoted £1350 for the kit and £750 fitting.

[benz88]

hydraulics generally cost more. Especially for a better brand. I think im into mine for around $2500. Just for the system. Then factor in $100+ a pop for a group 31 battery(you need these), 2-3 of them minimum.

[flemcadiddlehopper]

I have been looking into this a bit too. And as you have heard from others that when an air system is set up and engineered right it handles great. The problems that I believe the poor handling comments have come from is when the air is used to it's extremes (much the case of many of the cars on this site) . The air bags change in air pressure relates to a change in spring rate and thus ride height. The problem with that is the spring rate should be balanced to the shock dampening rate. If you had adjustable shocks that adjusted with the air pressure in the bags that would be the best scenario possible.
I have been looking at Hydraulics mounted on coilovers (spring perches). This setup lets you keep your spring rate the same and your shock dampening is ballance to that spring so ride quality does not change with ride height. The only problem would be if you are looking for extreme changes in ride height, such as a Socal Impala bouncing the front end. This setup only allowes a change of 45mm, but that is enough to change ride height without drastically changing steering geometre.
I think this would be a great setup if you wanted to park all tucked, but drive without rub. And price is not that bad because you can add them to your existing coilovers or purchase the whole kit.

http://www.tunerworks.com/products/?fn=detail&id=1007

Gordo.

[OCKlasse]

I'm on juice, and I love it! One pump six dump with accumulators. Best riding car you'll ever be in.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/trefive/p956030276-5.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/trefive/005.jpg

[Will@BagRiders]

sick benz right there

[benz88]

hydroholics did it right? they do some sick work.

[AccuMike]

Hey Brandon, were you guys able to figure out the control side and if it will work properly with the one pump 6 dump setup? Keep me posted man if something changes ;)

The Hydroholics guys are working on setting up systems using the AccuAir e-Level controller! The only leveling system ever used with Hydraulics :) Stay Tuned!

[OCKlasse]

Hey Mike,

Unfortunately Reno was unable to find a way to make it work with my unconventional design. If I ever change in the future, which I certainly might, I will definitely be giving you a call. Or, as Reno put it, if demand increases for configurations such as mine he will develop the software for it.

[OCKlasse]

hydroholics did it right? they do some sick work.

Yup...Hydroholics :alright

[Jedidiah]

Yup...Hydroholics :alright

What's good Brandon. Good to see you posting up. We need to catch up soon.

I can attest to Brandon's Merc... from experience, I can say it rides incredibly well.

[AccuMike]

Werd ;) Ya, hopefully we get some demand stirred up in the 'dro market and get things rolling on that front! Aaron and the rest of the Hydroholic crew have some cool things in the works! Whether Air or Juice, all it takes is the time, knowledge, and properly setup system to get the most out of your suspension.

[OCKlasse]

Werd ;) Ya, hopefully we get some demand stirred up in the 'dro market and get things rolling on that front! Aaron and the rest of the Hydroholic crew have some cool things in the works! Whether Air or Juice, all it takes is the time, knowledge, and properly setup system to get the most out of your suspension.

Amen, brotha!

And Ben, we do need to catch up!

PM me, I have some neat stuff to show you :D

[benz88]

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4078/4871359762_f0bdf093d1_b.jpg

the new mods should let me get lower in the rear. even with my tall rear cyls

[OCKlasse]

You're running a BMH three pump setup right? On coils or accumulators?

[benz88]

You're running a BMH three pump setup right? On coils or accumulators?
Yup.
coils. 4.5ton up front and 2.5tons in the rear.Front and rear coils are cut in half. I'm not laying out in the rear due to my cylinders hitting my parcel tray. so im making a custom cover for the rear and letting them come into the cab. This way i get all the lift of the tall cyls but lay out,:D

[Jesse@AirLift]

I think I have seen that Benz at some shows in So Cal, OCKlasse. Am I right, it's like pewter or gold in color? If so that freakin whip is killin it!!!

[Jesse@AirLift]

Well taking the time and actually lookin at the pics in this post that is the car. Many props to you dude, for keepin it real.

[OCKlasse]

I appreciate it! Come up and say hi to me if you see me around...I'll be at the SmartWax show in Feb.

[OCKlasse]

Yup.
coils. 4.5ton up front and 2.5tons in the rear.Front and rear coils are cut in half. I'm not laying out in the rear due to my cylinders hitting my parcel tray. so im making a custom cover for the rear and letting them come into the cab. This way i get all the lift of the tall cyls but lay out,:D

Sounds legit :eyebrows

[benz88]

Sounds legit :eyebrows

haha it is.:D

[OCKlasse]

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[j-stance]

now im torn between both :/
found this site http://www.hps-airride.com/index.html and their competition range seems to be exactly what im looking for

[j-stance]

after looking into air a little bit, i think its a potential option. However, when low/slammed, whats the car like when driving?
I currently drive a Ford Focus (MK1) and ive seen a picture of the rear 'easystreet' air setup, when the car is at a low stance (not sure how low by the picture)-(i will be running pretty much slammed as a daily, remember that i only want to lift the car to get up my drive and over speed bumps) the bag seems to be 'creasing', surely the ride will just be bouncy or non existent to an extent?

heres a picture:
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc313/blatajosh/deflate.jpg


One thing i particularly need to clear up is - when you are at your lowest point, are the bags fully deflated? Or do they retain a certain bar/psi?
If so, is it a case of just changing the length of the system so you can run a higher psi when 'low'

edit: another picture but from a different setup:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v725/Icefrogg/afd8cb02.jpg
The lines ARE NOT connected yet in that picture so the bag is fully deflated, would it be the same once the lines+tank are connected and working? Or would it just not go as low?

From what ive found, easystreet are the only company that give you a new lowering arm designed with for air bag setup:
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc313/blatajosh/1213215096297951.jpg
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc313/blatajosh/DSCN0389.jpg

[thewagen]

if i new a little more about hydro's i would do it in heartbeat. bags are nice dont get me wrong and thats prolly the route i will end up going, but hydro's are true baller for sure way more travel then bags and everthing ive ever heard about ride and comfort is better

[OCKlasse]

I would love to help answer any questions you might have. The more I can show people the light, the bigger my smile gets :D

[OCKlasse]

after looking into air a little bit, i think its a potential option. However, when low/slammed, whats the car like when driving?
I currently drive a Ford Focus (MK1) and ive seen a picture of the rear 'easystreet' air setup, when the car is at a low stance (not sure how low by the picture)-(i will be running pretty much slammed as a daily, remember that i only want to lift the car to get up my drive and over speed bumps) the bag seems to be 'creasing', surely the ride will just be bouncy or non existent to an extent?

heres a picture:
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc313/blatajosh/deflate.jpg


One thing i particularly need to clear up is - when you are at your lowest point, are the bags fully deflated? Or do they retain a certain bar/psi?
If so, is it a case of just changing the length of the system so you can run a higher psi when 'low'

edit: another picture but from a different setup:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v725/Icefrogg/afd8cb02.jpg
The lines ARE NOT connected yet in that picture so the bag is fully deflated, would it be the same once the lines+tank are connected and working? Or would it just not go as low?

From what ive found, easystreet are the only company that give you a new lowering arm designed with for air bag setup:
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc313/blatajosh/1213215096297951.jpg
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc313/blatajosh/DSCN0389.jpg

You don't have to worry about any of that with juice. It just replaces your factory shock. They make sizes 6-12 inch cylinders, so there is bound to be something to fit back there.

As far as the ride, it is adjustable via the accumulators. The more pressure within the accumulator, the firmer the ride gets. You can dial in whatever specific ride you're looking for.

[thewagen]

alright i would be looking at a basic set up f-b-s-s i dont need to hop or three wheel, although that would be pimp, how many pumps, batteries, what size fittings, run check valves? im going to check and see if i can find some cyl that would go into my stock location.
So any input you have would be great

[OCKlasse]

Well, the basic setup I would suggest would be a one pump five dump. It allows for individual corner control, but I know you said you were not necessarily into that. It only requires one check valve and slowdown. If you wanted pancake down, you would need a one pump six dump like I have. Let me know if you need more details.

[PoLonY]

sorry for the noob questions, but with hydraulics, do you still run a coil spring setup?or does it completely do away with old suspension etc, anyone have a good link for info that i can read up about hydraulic setups?

[thewagen]

Well, the basic setup I would suggest would be a one pump five dump. It allows for individual corner control, but I know you said you were not necessarily into that. It only requires one check valve and slowdown. If you wanted pancake down, you would need a one pump six dump like I have. Let me know if you need more details.

i just check out hydroholics and there 1pump 5 dump kit seems reasonable priced and i would be happy with that for my first set of hydros. was there alot of custom fab work is it something i cold easily do in a weakend without a lift.....got me thinking now and im pretty damn excited lol

[Sim0nvr6]

What about bagyards new setup they're coming out with?
If your looking to ride dumped and just be able to get over speedbumps, they're beginning to make a hydro system similiar to the KW variant 3's that is a hydro-over-coil set up that will raise and lower the car while keeping the same suspension travel. so far their just coming out with set ups for the front of coils. and also, although it may not be exactly what you're looking for, just another product out there to look up info on and learn more about the hydro/air game.

pic for reference
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/200458_10150123594386657_127410686656_6972243_8282 103_n.jpg

[thewagen]

What about bagyards new setup they're coming out with?
If your looking to ride dumped and just be able to get over speedbumps, they're beginning to make a hydro system similiar to the KW variant 3's that is a hydro-over-coil set up that will raise and lower the car while keeping the same suspension travel. so far their just coming out with set ups for the front of coils. and also, although it may not be exactly what you're looking for, just another product out there to look up info on and learn more about the hydro/air game.

pic for reference
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/200458_10150123594386657_127410686656_6972243_8282 103_n.jpg

i did read up about the kw's something like this would be an option for sure but the amount of travel isnt there.. decisions decisions

[Dudermagee]

I thought this was going to be about steroids

I am disappoint

[creaney]

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?id=100000739996042&aid=46725

afew pic's of my cousins civic coupe on hydros. and yes it does indeed handle very well, much better than the coils he was running before hand. hope this helps

[creaney]

http://www.ilovebass.co.uk/photos/civic-coupes/#report

this is the link for that entire shoot.

[luciferi]

I just installed a Hydroholics 1/5 setup with accumulators
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w47/K24RD6/hydros/neardonefront.jpg

[benz88]

I just installed a Hydroholics 1/5 setup with accumulators
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w47/K24RD6/hydros/neardonefront.jpg

seen this on layitlow i believe. i like it.

[OCKlasse]

That setup is absolutely insane in person. The best of the best.

[AccuMike]

SwitchSpeed (http://accuairsuspension.com/product_switchspeed_controller.html) for Dros? :) I'll let you know when it ships man!

[OCKlasse]

muahahaha

[cheez80]

SwitchSpeed (http://accuairsuspension.com/product_switchspeed_controller.html) for Dros? :) I'll let you know when it ships man!

this is a long shot, but is there anyway you guys can customize leveling setups for a hydro cup setup? i'll send you an email in a bit. thanks!

[OCKlasse]

Yes. I could make you a one pump eight dump setup if you're intent on using Accuair.

[benz88]

..

[cheez80]

Yes. I could make you a one pump eight dump setup if you're intent on using Accuair.

OCK, you know i am ;) load leveling is the shit hahaha

[JUICEDW140]

I'm on juice, and I love it! One pump six dump with accumulators. Best riding car you'll ever be in.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/trefive/p956030276-5.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/trefive/005.jpg

i word----DOPE

[AccuMike]

OCK, you know i am ;) load leveling is the shit hahaha


Can't wait to see what you guys come up with!

[AccuMike]

Pretty cool vid (SwitchSpeed in action on Brandon's setup), check it out:

http://www.stanceworks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16739

[xseveredveganx]

I approve of this thread.

Debating between 2/6 Hydroholics setup for my Q45 or Eurolines for the xB...

[Marian705]

Im on hydraulics. Handling can be great depending on how you set it up. If you use stock coils cut down it should ride really good and handle decent. if you want more cushion add accumulators or shocks. both help alot. If you want more help let me know.


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[JUICEDW140]

i think i am....

[benz88]

Im on hydraulics. Handling can be great depending on how you set it up. If you use stock coils cut down it should ride really good and handle decent. if you want more cushion add accumulators or shocks. both help alot. If you want more help let me know.

Also told you guys we need a Hydraulic section.

Im on hydraulics. Handling can be great depending on how you set it up. If you use stock coils cut down it should ride really good and handle decent. if you want more cushion add accumulators or shocks. both help alot. If you want more help let me know.


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Really? fucking spammers.:mad

[kaidotech]

I'm on the fence with this myself right now. I have a 95 F150 that I'm stancing on 15x10's, and need a LOT moar front low. Rear is staying static but I've begun considering hydraulics. I'm doing swaybars and wide tires so I'd like to keep low coils instead of deflated bags - but there are times with a 6" drop that you need to lift it up in the front. I can't seem to find any info on it except a few recommendations to pick up a Showtime Hydraulics 3.5T Hopper kit. Only having to cut a hole through my spring bucket instead of ripping it all out for custom welded bag mounts sounds really good too.

Benz88 if you could chime in I would greatly appreciate it! :D

[Masonbarnard]

What about Tein Coilovers with EDFC?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb8WfYS9410&feature=related

[JUICEDW140]

http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd490/zopazopa/DSCF1456.jpg

http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd490/zopazopa/DSCF1450.jpg

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http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd490/zopazopa/DSCF1438.jpg

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http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd490/zopazopa/DSCF1444.jpg

http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd490/zopazopa/DSCF1446.jpg

http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd490/zopazopa/DSCF1448.jpg

http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd490/zopazopa/DSCF1443.jpg

http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd490/zopazopa/DSCF1453.jpg

http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd490/zopazopa/DSCF1454.jpg

[Swapmeet]

^^^ love this, wish your lens was clean in the center tho... *sadface*

My truck is on hydros, no springs, just accumulators.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d158/StyleWagons/Hilux/tk.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d158/StyleWagons/Hilux/8cc681f4.jpg

All of my dumps and accumulators are hidden below the bed.

I have a little experience personally (not returning emails) but I've been told that since Aaron sold Hydrohaulics the customer service from the new owner is quite poor.

It's too bad, they were extremely helpful before and they were really the only company that catered to our scene. Places like Reds and Pro Hopper have no idea how to help setup systems that don't hop (my experience).

My truck rides awesome, i'm like the guy with the Benz, every person who takes a ride sees the light, and that makes me happy. Everyone here thinks hydros ride shitty, its a total up hill battle to change the stereotype but it's very rewarding.

[Roy1928]

Hey guys I just purchased a 79 Monte Carlo that came with a 2 pump 6 battery hydro setup. I don't know much about the setup besides it's bouncy as shit and doesn't seem to handle well at all (steering wheel will be sideways when car is driving straight). How would I go about 1. lowering the car another 2 or so inches all around and 2. converting to a setup that's made more for cruising dumped and lifting just for obstacles rather than hopping? Any info or guiding would be much appreciated thanks guys I'll post pics if you need em

[OCKlasse]

Hey guys I just purchased a 79 Monte Carlo that came with a 2 pump 6 battery hydro setup. I don't know much about the setup besides it's bouncy as shit and doesn't seem to handle well at all (steering wheel will be sideways when car is driving straight). How would I go about 1. lowering the car another 2 or so inches all around and 2. converting to a setup that's made more for cruising dumped and lifting just for obstacles rather than hopping? Any info or guiding would be much appreciated thanks guys I'll post pics if you need em

Can you post some pics?

[Roy1928]

got some right here. According to the original owner who put the setup in it's got 2 pumps competition dumps 6 batteries 8 inch cylinders in front 10 in the back 4 switches front back side to side.


http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y177/Roy1928/89281cb7.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y177/Roy1928/26050ea1.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y177/Roy1928/31ab3b54.jpg

[benz88]

signup on layitlow.com and ask in the hydraulics section. Much quicker answers

[benz88]

It's too bad, they were extremely helpful before and they were really the only company that catered to our scene. Places like Reds and Pro Hopper have no idea how to help setup systems that don't hop (my experience).

My truck rides awesome, i'm like the guy with the Benz, every person who takes a ride sees the light, and that makes me happy. Everyone here thinks hydros ride shitty, its a total up hill battle to change the stereotype but it's very rewarding.

Pretty sure Reds is out of business and Prohopper is off and on. I Will only deal with Black Magic Hydraulics out of Vegas.

[Roy1928]

True should've aske there in the first place. I'd like to see more hydros on SW cars though!

[Capone]

Im glad to see that juice is evolving...when I had it back in the 90's accumulators were very uncommon, I had one of the first mcphearson strut cars juiced here in the midwest and couldve really utilized one. Everybody has some great looking setups here, nice job! :thumbsup:

[OCKlasse]

True should've aske there in the first place. I'd like to see more hydros on SW cars though!

Nice car. I'm here in Irvine, so if you ever have questions, I'd love to meet up and check it out.

[benfer]

do any of these cars hop?

[benz88]

Mine does. Thats What I built it for, but it still lays crossmember.

[JUICEDW140]

^^^ love this, wish your lens was clean in the center tho... *sadface*

My truck is on hydros, no springs, just accumulators.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d158/StyleWagons/Hilux/tk.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d158/StyleWagons/Hilux/8cc681f4.jpg

All of my dumps and accumulators are hidden below the bed.

I have a little experience personally (not returning emails) but I've been told that since Aaron sold Hydrohaulics the customer service from the new owner is quite poor.

It's too bad, they were extremely helpful before and they were really the only company that catered to our scene. Places like Reds and Pro Hopper have no idea how to help setup systems that don't hop (my experience).

My truck rides awesome, i'm like the guy with the Benz, every person who takes a ride sees the light, and that makes me happy. Everyone here thinks hydros ride shitty, its a total up hill battle to change the stereotype but it's very rewarding.

Yep...


http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd490/zopazopa/battledrag-drag.jpg